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Am I over valuing my Aces in omaha?

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  1. tha_burgh tha_burgh is offline

    Kennesaw, GA
    United States

    Posts: 58
    Joined: Feb 09

    Jul 3rd, 2009 (7/3/2009 11:08am)

    Im a newer player to omaha, i feel like i have a good understanding of it. Im posting three hands from 2 different sites. The 2 from poker stars are back to back.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #13171111887: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (97525956), Table 5 - 400/800 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 1:54:10 ET - 2009/07/03
    Seat 1: Wesolowski (53,014)
    Seat 4: Big_Blind_Bunes (49,700)
    Seat 5: Ash Erwin (23,900)
    Seat 6: denvermikeb (47,913)
    Seat 7: Beef573 (25,694)
    Seat 8: tha_burgh (8,292)
    Seat 9: coopdvlle (17,698)
    Beef573 posts the small blind of 400
    tha_burgh posts the big blind of 800
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to tha_burgh [2c As Ac 6c]
    coopdvlle folds
    Wesolowski folds
    Big_Blind_Bunes folds
    Ash Erwin folds
    denvermikeb folds
    Beef573 calls 400
    tha_burgh raises to 2,400
    Beef573 has 15 seconds left to act
    Beef573 raises to 7,200
    tha_burgh raises to 8,292, and is all in
    Beef573 calls 1,092
    tha_burgh shows [2c As Ac 6c]
    Beef573 shows [8h 3s Kd Kh]
    tha_burgh: lol
    *** FLOP *** [5c Ah 2h]
    *** TURN *** [5c Ah 2h] [8s]
    *** RIVER *** [5c Ah 2h 8s] [9h]
    tha_burgh shows three of a kind, Aces
    Beef573 shows a flush, Ace high
    Beef573 wins the pot (16,584) with a flush, Ace high
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 16,584 | Rake 0
    Board: [5c Ah 2h 8s 9h]
    Seat 1: Wesolowski didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: Big_Blind_Bunes didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: Ash Erwin didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: denvermikeb (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: Beef573 (small blind) showed [8h 3s Kd Kh] and won (16,584) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 8: tha_burgh (big blind) showed [2c As Ac 6c] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
    Seat 9: coopdvlle didn't bet (folded)

    *********** # 167 **************
    pokerstars Game #30042250111: Tournament #175253556, $10+$1 Omaha Pot Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2009/07/03 2:34:20 ET
    Table '175253556 13' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: JagerMaestro (20088 in chips)
    Seat 2: elmat (9550 in chips)
    Seat 3: Ferren1969 (20960 in chips)
    Seat 4: AJB444 (91405 in chips)
    Seat 5: tha burgh (40946 in chips)
    Seat 6: Scotty2010 (48364 in chips)
    Seat 7: STEVEK05 (56183 in chips)
    Seat 8: cheo55 (4880 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 9: EATBALUT (24597 in chips)
    AJB444: posts small blind 600
    tha burgh: posts big blind 1200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to tha burgh [Ac Ad As 9d]
    Scotty2010: calls 1200
    STEVEK05: folds
    cheo55: folds
    EATBALUT: raises 1200 to 2400
    JagerMaestro: folds
    elmat: folds
    Ferren1969: folds
    AJB444: folds
    tha burgh: raises 6600 to 9000
    Scotty2010: calls 7800
    EATBALUT: calls 6600
    *** FLOP *** [Kd 2h 3s]
    tha burgh: bets 27600
    Scotty2010: folds
    EATBALUT: calls 15597 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (12003) returned to tha burgh
    *** TURN *** [Kd 2h 3s] [3h]
    *** RIVER *** [Kd 2h 3s 3h] [8c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    tha burgh: shows [Ac Ad As 9d] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
    EATBALUT: shows [Ks Kh 4c 4h] (a full house, Kings full of Threes)
    EATBALUT collected 58794 from pot
    tha burgh said, "un real"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 58794 | Rake 0
    Board [Kd 2h 3s 3h 8c]
    Seat 1: JagerMaestro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: elmat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Ferren1969 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: AJB444 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: tha burgh (big blind) showed [Ac Ad As 9d] and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes
    Seat 6: Scotty2010 folded on the Flop
    Seat 7: STEVEK05 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: cheo55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: EATBALUT showed [Ks Kh 4c 4h] and won (58794) with a full house, Kings full of Threes

    *********** # 168 **************
    PokerStars Game #30042268947: Tournament #175253556, $10+$1 Omaha Pot Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2009/07/03 2:35:37 ET
    Table '175253556 13' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: JagerMaestro (20088 in chips)
    Seat 2: elmat (9550 in chips)
    Seat 3: Ferren1969 (20960 in chips)
    Seat 4: AJB444 (90805 in chips)
    Seat 5: tha burgh (16349 in chips)
    Seat 6: Scotty2010 (39364 in chips)
    Seat 7: STEVEK05 (56183 in chips)
    Seat 8: cheo55 (4880 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 9: EATBALUT (58794 in chips)
    tha burgh: posts small blind 600
    Scotty2010: posts big blind 1200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to tha burgh [Ah 4h 7s As]
    STEVEK05: calls 1200
    cheo55: folds
    EATBALUT: folds
    JagerMaestro: folds
    tha burgh said, "u know you got 2 outs"
    elmat: folds
    AJB444 said, "bad luck"
    Ferren1969: folds
    AJB444: raises 4200 to 5400
    tha burgh: raises 10949 to 16349 and is all-in
    Scotty2010: folds
    STEVEK05: folds
    cheo55 has returned
    AJB444: calls 10949
    *** FLOP *** [8h 2c 2d]
    AJB444 said, "sheesh"
    *** TURN *** [8h 2c 2d] [Ks]
    AJB444 said, "back to back aces"
    *** RIVER *** [8h 2c 2d Ks] [5c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    tha burgh: shows [Ah 4h 7s As] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
    AJB444: shows [Kd 2s 7h Kc] (a full house, Kings full of Deuces)
    AJB444 collected 35098 from pot
    AJB444 said, "tough luck man gg"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 35098 | Rake 0
    Board [8h 2c 2d Ks 5c]
    Seat 1: JagerMaestro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: elmat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Ferren1969 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: AJB444 (button) showed [Kd 2s 7h Kc] and won (35098) with a full house, Kings full of Deuces
    Seat 5: tha burgh (small blind) showed [Ah 4h 7s As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Deuces
    Seat 6: Scotty2010 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: STEVEK05 folded before Flop
    Seat 8: cheo55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: EATBALUT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

    Natchez, MS
    United States

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    Jul 3rd, 2009 (7/3/2009 11:39am) in reply to tha_burgh

    In the first and last hands, no; the other, yes.

    There was no need to play AAA in the second of the hands you gave- it's hard enough to win after the flop with aces without improving, and leaving yourself with only one card to hit will be -EV in the long run.

    When the money is deep, it's often correct to limp AA in PLO. In both hands, however, where all the action was pre-flop, that wasn't the case, so you were at the mercy of the cards. Your play there was fine.
  3. Bigredscot Bigredscot is offline

    Prince George
    Canada

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    Joined: Jul 06

    Jul 3rd, 2009 (7/3/2009 12:08pm) in reply to tha_burgh

    I agree there is nothing you can do about the 2 where you get it all in with AA preflop. You were pretty lucky to be up against KKxx, instead of 789T or 89TJ which are killers against AAxx. But then you got unlucky end of story.

    With the other hand, maybe you overplayed AA there. I think AA in omaha with deep stack you might want to play a little slower there. Especially on the flop. When you make that substantial a re-raise you almost have to put one of the callers on kk. So you could have saved money there but that is an unlucky flop which left you drawing to 1 out. AA has cost me a lot by overplaying it in omaha so I learned to kind of take it slow. I actually think AA is my least favorite hand in omaha, you can make so much more off other random hands, omaha is a great game. Good luck
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