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Am i playing AA wrong? help please!

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  1. yard_warrior yard_warrior is offline

    Kingston
    Jamaica

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    Dec 13th, 2007 (12/13/2007 5:02pm)

    Am i playing AA wrong?

    See my examples from two different tourneys (ie last 2 times i got AA in last 4 hrs)

    eg 1.
    Villlian would limp on a regular basis. Did i try for too much value given the texture of the flop?

    pokerstars Game #13839811044: Tournament #70248964, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/12/13 - 17:36:37 (ET)
    Table '70248964 2' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Kamiorama (6090 in chips)
    Seat 2: ruhrpott82 (5900 in chips)
    Seat 3: ninsenkarton (2625 in chips)
    Seat 4: yard_warrior (2520 in chips)
    Seat 6: BobnoC (2270 in chips)
    Seat 7: magallanes14 (1670 in chips)
    Seat 8: Fun Ätna (4050 in chips)
    Seat 9: guiguilou (5485 in chips)
    Kamiorama: posts the ante 25
    ruhrpott82: posts the ante 25
    ninsenkarton: posts the ante 25
    yard_warrior: posts the ante 25
    BobnoC: posts the ante 25
    magallanes14: posts the ante 25
    Fun Ätna: posts the ante 25
    guiguilou: posts the ante 25
    ninsenkarton: posts small blind 100
    yard_warrior: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to yard_warrior [As Ad]
    BobnoC: folds
    magallanes14: folds
    Fun Ätna: calls 200
    guiguilou: folds
    Kamiorama: folds
    ruhrpott82: folds
    ninsenkarton: folds
    yard_warrior: raises 300 to 500
    Fun Ätna: calls 300
    *** FLOP *** [Ah 8s Ts]
    yard_warrior: checks
    Fun Ätna: bets 800
    yard_warrior: calls 800
    *** TURN *** [Ah 8s Ts] [2s]
    yard_warrior: checks
    Fun Ätna: bets 2725 and is all-in
    yard_warrior: calls 1195 and is all-in
    *** RIVER *** [Ah 8s Ts 2s] [7h]
    *** SHOWDOWN ***
    yard_warrior: shows [As Ad] (three of a kind, Aces)
    Fun Atna: shows [9h 6h] (a straight, Six to Ten)

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    eg. 2

    Villian been reasonably tight, with the occasional limp

    PokerStars Game #13844689523: Tournament #69509919, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em
    No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/12/13 - 21:48:07 (ET)
    Table '69509919 118' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: yard_warrior (3290 in chips)
    Seat 2: uome12 (12360 in chips)
    Seat 3: irule888 (2010 in chips)
    Seat 4: Manu 300 (3355 in chips)
    Seat 5: soupdragon3 (9650 in chips)
    Seat 6: Tom LS (2360 in chips)
    Seat 7: dopie (2128 in chips)
    Seat 8: MT_Pockets42 (6055 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 9: GemI (8770 in chips)
    yard_warrior: posts small blind 100
    uome12: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to yard_warrior [Ac Ah]
    irule888: folds
    Manu 300: folds
    soupdragon3: calls 200
    Tom LS: folds
    dopie: folds
    MT_Pockets42: folds
    GemI: folds
    yard_warrior: raises 400 to 600
    uome12: folds
    soupdragon3: calls 400
    *** FLOP *** [Qh 2d 4c]
    MT_Pockets42 has returned
    yard_warrior: checks
    soupdragon3: bets 1000
    yard_warrior: calls 1000
    *** TURN *** [Qh 2d 4c] [Qs]
    yard_warrior: checks
    soupdragon3: bets 1800
    yard_warrior: calls 1690 and is all-in
    *** RIVER *** [Qh 2d 4c Qs] [8h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    yard_warrior: shows [Ac Ah] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
    soupdragon3: shows [9h Qc] (three of a kind, Queens)
    soupdragon3 collected 6780 from pot
    dopie said, "vn"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 6780 | Rake 0
    Board [Qh 2d 4c Qs 8h]
    Seat 1: yard_warrior (small blind) showed [Ac Ah] and lost with two
    pair, Aces and Queens
    Seat 2: uome12 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: irule888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Manu 300 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: soupdragon3 showed [9h Qc] and won (6780) with three of a kind,
    Queens
    Seat 6: Tom LS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: dopie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: MT_Pockets42 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: GemI (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
     
  2. AceSpade2675 AceSpade2675 is offline

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    Dec 14th, 2007 (12/14/2007 2:15am) in reply to yard_warrior

    On the first hand I am not sure what that guy was thinking. I would either lead out on the flop with what he might think as just a c-bet.....without knowing how loose he will call a pre flop raise I would also check raise that flop just to protect against any strange draws especially at the $2 level.

    The second hand though....I would have to play that flop a bit different. The check is fine, but I wouldn't just call that bet....have to shove in that spot....a call just looks funny with your stack....from his point of view what hand can you have to raise pre-flop and check call on the flop while putting about half your stack in the middle....now you check the turn when the Q hits and still call the bet.....If you know you are going to call and you aren't sure of his hand shove first and put him to a decision.....
  3. duffer230 duffer230 is offline

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    Dec 14th, 2007 (12/14/2007 2:29am) in reply to AceSpade2675

    I agree with aces. you have to protect the value of your hand in the lower buy-ins. youll see all kinds of strange draws when they see pretty colors on the board.

    I also agree with the second hand. When he bets out, tell him you have something and protect from the draw. Its better to take down the smaller pot then then lose the bigger pot on him hitting the draw and shove him in making him have to really think about it. I used to be timid with my rockets because they were so valuable I didnt wanna scare away action, but typically now ive learned play them for their value and it will usually work out in your favor...of course not always...
  4. losfer losfer is offline

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    Dec 14th, 2007 (12/14/2007 8:02am) in reply to yard_warrior

    First hand:
    Raise more PF.
    Bet out on the flop around the size of the pot.
    Get it all-in on turn.

    You have a big hand, play it big. Get the money in there.

    Second hand.
    Raise more PF.
    Quit checking AA on the flop. Get money in there. Bet out the size of the pot and have TP pay you off. If you're going to check, then you should check-raise. I'm not sure what the call is doing for you here.
    The way the hand was played, you're left in a bad spot on the turn where you know you're behind but you pretty much are stuck in the hand because you've put too much money in.
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