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Am I pot-committed or should I have folded?

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  1. Crow2 Crow2 is offline

    La Crescenta, CA
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    Jan 15th, 2009 (1/15/2009 12:42am)

    *********** # 18 ************** pokerstars Game #23914784020: Tournament #132775568, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/01/15 0:24:29 ET Table '132775568 20' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: iK1NG DAV1Di (1280 in chips) Seat 2: patmac9997 (2433 in chips) Seat 3: MikeLcm (1300 in chips) Seat 4: Crow2 (2840 in chips) Seat 5: shipdatstakk (1535 in chips) Seat 6: ozzyjackspr (1507 in chips) Seat 7: akimkk (3435 in chips) Seat 8: jdurrance (1505 in chips) Seat 9: royal2525 (395 in chips) patmac9997: posts small blind 15 MikeLcm: posts big blind 30 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Crow2 [9s 6d] Crow2: raises 60 to 90 shipdatstakk: folds ozzyjackspr: calls 90 akimkk: calls 90 jdurrance: folds royal2525: calls 90 iK1NG DAV1Di: folds patmac9997: calls 75 MikeLcm: calls 60 *** FLOP *** [7c Tc 8h] patmac9997: checks MikeLcm: checks Crow2: bets 240 ozzyjackspr: calls 240 akimkk: raises 1170 to 1410 royal2525: folds patmac9997: calls 1410 MikeLcm: folds Crow2: calls 1170 ozzyjackspr: folds *** TURN *** [7c Tc 8h] [6c] patmac9997: bets 933 and is all-in Crow2: raises 407 to 1340 and is all-in akimkk: folds Uncalled bet (407) returned to Crow2 *** RIVER *** [7c Tc 8h 6c] [3h] *** SHOW DOWN *** patmac9997: shows [4c 8c] (a flush, Ten high) Crow2: shows [9s 6d] (a straight, Six to Ten) patmac9997 collected 6876 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 6876 | Rake 0 Board [7c Tc 8h 6c 3h] Seat 1: iK1NG DAV1Di (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: patmac9997 (small blind) showed [4c 8c] and won (6876) with a flush, Ten high Seat 3: MikeLcm (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 4: Crow2 showed [9s 6d] and lost with a straight, Six to Ten Seat 5: shipdatstakk folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: ozzyjackspr folded on the Flop Seat 7: akimkk folded on the Turn Seat 8: jdurrance folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: royal2525 folded on the Flop
  2. rhap rhap is offline

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    Jan 15th, 2009 (1/15/2009 11:03am) in reply to Crow2

    There are 2 problems that I am seeing here. First, since you are utg with a pretty weak hand, it would be better just to fold pre. The second is that on the flop you had just called the reraise. The only hand that beats you is J 9. I would try and get it all in before any draws could be completed.
  3. cardplayer52 cardplayer52 is offline

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    Jan 15th, 2009 (1/15/2009 12:12pm) in reply to Crow2

    UTG raise very questionable here. I'll maybe do it with suited connectors or low to medium pairs(obv. high pairs too). But I'll usually wait till the blinds are higher. But that flop I'd bet atleast 2/3 to the whole pot as there's a flush draw and many callers. Also the ten is there and a caller very well could have a hand like KT,QT,JT. But your question of are you committed after the turn yes. The other way to play this hand is to check/call the flop to see the turn cheap then bet. But here you got a big hand so bet and make a big pot. Big hands big pot small hands smal pot. Thats why I would fold this hand to begin with. Why build a big pot with it? I may(not likely) play this hand from the button or late w/many limpers already in.
  4. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Jan 15th, 2009 (1/15/2009 12:46pm) in reply to cardplayer52

    Cardplayer,

    I like your advice for a bigger buy in. In a $2 game, you really rarely need to do anything tricky. Also, lots of people loose call in these. Also, making it 90 isn't nearly enough to get any folds, which is what your looking for.

    My question here is, what is the plan for this hand? Are you raising here to pick up 45 chips in blinds? Are you raising to be called? The problem is, either one seems off. If your bluffing for the blinds, you have to make it about 120 here at a minimum (though, why try to buy 45 in blinds). If your raising to be called, why do you want calls when you don't beat anything?

    After the flop, I think you played it fine. Your hand is perfectly hidden after your rediculous UTG raise. There is no way you can fold here. The raise is a dream. You can play it either way, flat and get it in on the turn or all in right there. Probably doesn't matter.

    You lose, tough break. Though, you could argue what the heck he's calling with 84suited.
  5. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    Jan 16th, 2009 (1/16/2009 2:20am) in reply to lordxixor101

    69o doesn't play well enough post flop, especially this deep stacked and out've position. There is no need to raise a crap hand like that in low limit tourneys as your opponents aren't putting you on ranges or anything, they just play their cards. You don't need to balance your raising ranges with bluffs or anything. The utg raise is overrated anyways.
     
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