Full Tilt Poker Game #17054913084: $2 + $0.20 Tournament (127240062), Table 23 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:13:28 ET - 2009/12/24
Seat 1: Patza2 (1,884)
Seat 2: BlonDinkO_10 (4,470)
Seat 3: EricksAlly (1,693)
Seat 4: mar143 (4,775)
Seat 5: Z1MM3RM4N (1,738)
Seat 6: RobbieM61 (4,056)
Seat 7: jdibss (960)
Seat 8: Kong1985 (3,687)
Seat 9: Old2rbo (2,085)
EricksAlly posts the small blind of 40
mar143 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jdibss [Kd Qh]
Z1MM3RM4N folds
RobbieM61 folds
jdibss raises to 960, and is all in

12bbs...do you wait for a bigger hand???

I think you are shoving too wide, this shove is profitable when antes kick in, but it's a fold for me pre ante.

and?

 

Originally Posted by BobbyPossum

 

Originally Posted by jdibss

$2 + $0.20 Tournament

I dont get why ppl even mention this...
what does this have to do with anything?
No matter what the buyin, I want to win, therefore I want to make the right play.
And the caliber of player here does not influence a single thing because I am the first one to act.

only 2 ppl folded in front?? EP kq off - 9 handed or 8 handed, no antes, this is a fold IMO...easy fold at that

i shove

Why is it always a shove?? Im not saying that a shove is wrong, because its definitely a long term winning play, but for most of you to just say a shove is the be all end all is just wrong. The beautiful thing about lower stakes is that youre going to have many players that are going to be uber exploitable.

People say dont be tricky at lower stakes. WHY? There are plenty of ways to exploit these players. Why not take advantage of this. Understand though that with almost every option, we are going with this hand.

Shove - fine. Get your hand in there. Depending on the table you might get called by a very wide range. A decent amount of the time, you are even going to be ahead, or even dominating someone. However, the times you dont get called, youre picking up 120 chips, adding 1/8th to your stack. Since this is pre ante, and since youre sitting with 12 bbs at lower stakes, I think you can find a better option. KQ is definitely a good enough hand to go with. However, we need to extract as much value as we can from this hand, and with blinds going up soon enough, we need to be picking up chips any which way. Which leads me to

Open Raise - Whats wrong with opening to 160-220?? Remember, were not playing against any top 100 players. Whats the difference of getting your money in preflop, or postflop, as long as your intention is to get it in?? All youre doing is giving yourself another opportunity to win this pot, and with bonus chips at that. Also, youre going to be folding out alot of players on alot of flops which they miss. You obviously know that youre going to hit 1/3 flops. Well also know that players at the lower stakes are pretty damn straightfoward. They are pretty weak, but they know enough standard situations that theyre going to be folding 66 on a A9x board, along with many others. This is just another opportunity to pick up bonus chips, chips that are vital to yourself at this point in the tournament.

Flat - This is the least recommended, but Ive mixed it in here before if the table dynamics are right. whats the difference between 12 and 11 BBs at this point?? Not much. If a table has been weak active, and alot of players have been limping, why not?? You can try and hit a flop which will enable you to get it in against players who are willing to play a pot with a weaker holding and not risking so much as you are a short stack. Another perk is if someone has a hand and decides to raise the limpers, you can go with your hand considering the dead money that is now in the middle. If they have you, they have you, you were already dead to rights if you were open shoving anyways, and now you have some extra bang for your buck.

Fold - dont do this.

I dont post alot of theory especially low limits, but small buyin/large field tournies are definitely what come easiest to me. The most important thing is to understand your opponents thoughts, which is true in all aspects of poker, but it is extremely easy to do with lower stakes fishies.

Good post OP, and understand that this thought process for myself is only pre antes. Once antes have kicked in, this is definitely a shove.

With the KQo here, you must be hoping for a walk. you'll probably get calls from TT+, AQo+, AQs+. If this were infact the range, you're dominated by all but the TT, JJ. which you would only be a coinflip. Yes, the odds are in you're favor of noone having one of these hands, but If you do get a walk, you're only looking at +120 (15%) increase. IMO, fold and wait for a better spot.. pref. with antes.

 

Originally Posted by joshwray

With the KQo here, you must be hoping for a walk. you'll probably get calls from TT+, AQo+, AQs+. If this were infact the range, you're dominated by all but the TT, JJ. which you would only be a coinflip. Yes, the odds are in you're favor of noone having one of these hands, but If you do get a walk, you're only looking at +120 (15%) increase. IMO, fold and wait for a better spot.. pref. with antes.

Only 15% increase? 15% is huge tho...

edit: and i doubt 88 is folding so you're racing against 88-JJ at least (if they have it) then are dominated by the slim chance that they are holding AK/AQ and obv QQ+

would love to get some more input seems like one of the most standard shoves here

Agree with the guys that say its a fold with no antes, shove with antes.

Without antes, your stack isnt gonna get dented much by only going through the blinds... you've got plenty of time to wait for a better hand. There are plenty od stacks that are going to snap you there with all sorts of crud, 1) because they're big stacks, and 2) it's a $2... and they will call you alot wider then in a $100. (though getting called wide might be an argument to shove.....)