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Am i suppose to fold here? (SNG related)

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  1. cmkpics cmkpics is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 2:00pm)

    first sng of my sunday session..5 left..pays 4 obv..is AK ever a fold here or am i just that wonderful at finding dumb spots?
    16.50 18man btw
    pokerstars Game #24502596051: Tournament #137879260, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2009/02/01 14:57:20 ET
    Table '137879260 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: myhucklebery (6385 in chips)
    Seat 3: coliver22 (7988 in chips)
    Seat 5: ANDAMAN 974 (7159 in chips)
    Seat 6: elPabloP (2903 in chips)
    Seat 7: SkurvyKnave (2565 in chips)
    myhucklebery: posts the ante 50
    coliver22: posts the ante 50
    ANDAMAN 974: posts the ante 50
    elPabloP: posts the ante 50
    SkurvyKnave: posts the ante 50
    elPabloP: posts small blind 300
    SkurvyKnave: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to myhucklebery [As Kd]
    myhucklebery: raises 975 to 1575
    coliver22: raises 2625 to 4200
    ANDAMAN 974: folds
    elPabloP: folds
    SkurvyKnave: folds
    myhucklebery: raises 2135 to 6335 and is all-in
    coliver22: calls 2135
    *** FLOP *** [6s 8c 4h]
    *** TURN *** [6s 8c 4h] [4d]
    *** RIVER *** [6s 8c 4h 4d] [5s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    myhucklebery: shows [As Kd] (a pair of Fours)
    coliver22: shows [Jh Js] (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
    coliver22 collected 13820 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 13820 | Rake 0
    Board [6s 8c 4h 4d 5s]
    Seat 1: myhucklebery showed [As Kd] and lost with a pair of Fours
    Seat 3: coliver22 showed [Jh Js] and won (13820) with two pair, Jacks and Fours
    Seat 5: ANDAMAN 974 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: elPabloP (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: SkurvyKnave (big blind) folded before Flop

    trying to figure out if a fold is ever justifiable here with my stack on the bubble
  2. DemonEyez DemonEyez is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 2:22pm) in reply to cmkpics

    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TH width=40>PU</TH><TH width=40>CA</TH><TH width=40>OC</TH><TH>Range</TH></TR><TR><TD>UTG</TD><TD><TD><TD>33.0%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K9o+ Q6s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T9s </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>CO</TD><TD><TD>2.6%, TT+ AKs </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    Thanks Lobsta, i had the wrong payout structure.
  3. StaySuckaFree StaySuckaFree is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 2:22pm) in reply to cmkpics

    I think Id call but Thats becase Im terrible. After making the raise pre and folding you still got a stack here. I don't know that seems very spewy... Shit dumb spot I guess Your not going to open fold AK here but Raise folding seems gross. I just dont like that its the only guy that can bust that wants to play a big pot. I just am not sure it is possibly correct to go with it with the only guy that can bust you.
  4. L0bstaM0bsta L0bstaM0bsta is offline OT Podcast Host

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 2:24pm) in reply to cmkpics

    Open shove and blame him for calling with jacks...problem solved

    Raise/fold is spewy and folding this UTG is not an option...whoever nashed that is right and you need to be shipping this pre...he can call TT+ and nash says AKs, although I think calling with AKs here is really borderline
  5. Trav04 Trav04 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 2:25pm) in reply to StaySuckaFree

    Shove shove shove shove shove
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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 2:28pm) in reply to StaySuckaFree

    i fold personally. Skurvyknave is going to be in the small blind next hand with just 3 bb's. he has to push soon, leaving you with an ok stack.
  7. AJyowler AJyowler is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 2:34pm) in reply to cmkpics

    I would have played it the same way... Yes you are losing out of 4th place money but if you win the hand you have a 2 to 1 chiplead on 2nd place... You already have a 1/4 of your chips in play and I would have played the same way as you.. I'm sure the math will show that you should have folded to get that 4th place money but as a human being the reward outweighs the risk
  8. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 2:34pm) in reply to donkeypuncher

    the only reason not to open shove pre is to raise/call and invite worse hands to reship.. which i dont absolutely hate that concept but wat sucks is getting flatted here. Also w/ ur stack its just a shove no argument ul
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  9. WiserPenny WiserPenny is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 2:47pm) in reply to cmkpics

    shove pre or fold pre...

    with this not being a DoN i would shove... if you get called by JJ and lose a flip then better luck next time

    don't be results oriented... if AK had won this hand would you even be asking yourself it was the right play?
  10. tuthill tuthill is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 2:48pm) in reply to donkeypuncher

    shove pre
     
  11. L0bstaM0bsta L0bstaM0bsta is offline OT Podcast Host

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 3:01pm) in reply to WiserPenny

    What? FUCK YES you look at spots like this that you aren't sure about WHEN YOU WIN the hand! If you don't take hands from every session you play and run them or ask someone about them then you aren't learning/growing/getting better. Take your own advice by not being results oriented and check hands that you win...otherwise you're not maximizing your potential.
  12. charbarj41 charbarj41 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 3:16pm) in reply to cmkpics

    This is a really easy shove pre
     
  13. cmkpics cmkpics is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 3:16pm) in reply to L0bstaM0bsta

    i analyze hands i win and lose..

    im seeing that i should be shoving pre here then...ty for the advice..its not whether i won or not, its playing the optimal way in each situation im trying to figure out
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  14. calibre908 calibre908 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 3:30pm) in reply to charbarj41

     
    Originally Posted by charbarj41 View Post

    This is a really easy shove pre

  15. wavegoodbye wavegoodbye is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2009 (2/1/2009 4:27pm) in reply to calibre908

     
    Originally Posted by calibre908 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by charbarj41 View Post

    This is a really easy shove pre

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