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  1. JDeEzLy JDeEzLy is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 3:09pm)

    pokerstars Game #13080033414: Tournament #66049218, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2007/11/06 - 16:00:11 (ET)
    Table '66049218 267' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: Top_Gun_BE23 (10395 in chips)
    Seat 2: gs_barry (21035 in chips)
    Seat 3: montana412 (8195 in chips)
    Seat 4: alan no2 (10380 in chips)
    Seat 5: mahlas (7465 in chips)
    Seat 6: JDeEzLy (19400 in chips)
    Seat 7: JohDi (15230 in chips)
    Seat 8: birdman1 (8340 in chips)
    Seat 9: ojai lefty (3570 in chips)
    Top_Gun_BE23: posts the ante 25
    gs_barry: posts the ante 25
    montana412: posts the ante 25
    alan no2: posts the ante 25
    mahlas: posts the ante 25
    JDeEzLy: posts the ante 25
    JohDi: posts the ante 25
    birdman1: posts the ante 25
    ojai lefty: posts the ante 25
    JDeEzLy: posts small blind 150
    JohDi: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JDeEzLy [Jd Js]
    birdman1: calls 300
    ojai lefty: calls 300
    Top_Gun_BE23: folds
    gs_barry: calls 300
    montana412: folds
    alan no2: calls 300
    mahlas: folds
    JDeEzLy: raises 2700 to 3000
    JohDi: raises 12205 to 15205 and is all-in
    birdman1: folds
    ojai lefty: folds
    gs_barry: folds
    alan no2: folds
    JDeEzLy: ???????

    I have a note on the guy that he made pretty big raises twice, and both times he showed a premium (AK and KK). But is he really making this play with QQ+? I could've easily been making a steal raise with nothing.
  2. Neek Neek is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 3:23pm) in reply to JDeEzLy

    Do you really want to risk 40xBB (80% of your remaining stack) hoping that you are right and at best race at this stage? You have a read that he made big raises twice with AK and KK...you have lots of chips and all the info you need to fold here with confidence.
     
  3. sturgeball sturgeball is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 3:25pm) in reply to Neek

    JDeEzLy: raises 2700 to 3000

    after this I dont know what to tell you. You never have the best hand here. This raise looks like AK to me but then again, you are really never a favorite. Unless of course he saw your raise as AK and wanted to put pressure on you with 10s for example.
  4. TheMayor TheMayor is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 3:26pm) in reply to Neek

    ^^^Agree

    You should be pretty sure he's not doing this with AJ or TT...so you are never gonna like whatever hand he shows when you call here. QQ would be harder to fold but with your read i think that hand is more borderline than JJ against this guy, nice laydown imo.
  5. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 3:27pm) in reply to Neek

    Agreed. Given your read and the action, I think AK is at the bottom of his range. JJ obv doesn't do well against AA/KK/QQ/AK. Small chance he has the other JJ too, but that's pretty irrelevant.
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  6. Tsupa Tsupa is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 3:33pm) in reply to JDeEzLy

    1. I really hate your initial raise here

    JDeEzLy: raises 2700 to 3000

    when

    JDeEzLy: raises 900 to 1200
    or
    JDeEzLy: raises 1200 to 1500

    would have been just as effective, and actually looks a little stronger. Your raise screams "Please go away", ie, AK, AQ, 99-JJ.

    2. This is a $3 tournament, his range is probably 88-AA, AK, and AQ

    3. When you raise a 5th of your stack there you should be doing so with the intention of calling a push.

    4. You can fold and have a decent stack remaining.
  7. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 3:45pm) in reply to Tsupa

    ^^joke post???

    4 limps in front of him and you think raising to 1200 or 1500 is a better play? WTF? Are you raising to 1200 in this spot with AA? KK? ANY hand for that matter? Yay, let's give all the limpers as much implied odds as possible.

    Depending on how active/loose the table had been you MAY want to call a push from one of those limpers once it comes back around to them (assuming everyone acting after you folds, which is usually the case). For example, say all the limpers fold after your raise but "alan no2" (the last of the limpers) decides to call or push over top. That's an insta call, you have his range crushed, you've got great odds against AK/AQ, and if you lose it's only half your stack.

    Also, no one has mentioned a limp here with JJ. How i'd play this hand would depend largely on how the table was playing.

    but given that it's a microdonkament...

    big raise>limp>>>>>>>small raise
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  8. JDeEzLy JDeEzLy is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 4:16pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    Thanks for the backup shane.

    Anyways, I just decided that there was no way my JJ was ahead of his range there, and I was coinflipping at best, and I'm not flipping for so much of my stack in that spot. He showed QQ.

    And I got one more question for you lot:

    pokerstars Game #13081370697: Tournament #66049218, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (500/1000) - 2007/11/06 - 17:10:36 (ET)
    Table '66049218 41' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: JMFISH (25092 in chips)
    Seat 2: dboyz1954 (14500 in chips)
    Seat 3: JDeEzLy (16095 in chips)
    Seat 4: pablo818 (36103 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 5: Kati3007 (1800 in chips)
    Seat 6: GAGATO (23600 in chips)
    Seat 7: CowCowCow (23203 in chips)
    Seat 8: jake74 (36432 in chips)
    Seat 9: ImbJones (21645 in chips)
    JMFISH: posts the ante 100
    dboyz1954: posts the ante 100
    JDeEzLy: posts the ante 100
    pablo818: posts the ante 100
    Kati3007: posts the ante 100
    GAGATO: posts the ante 100
    CowCowCow: posts the ante 100
    jake74: posts the ante 100
    ImbJones: posts the ante 100
    GAGATO: posts small blind 500
    CowCowCow: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JDeEzLy [Qs Ac]
    jake74: folds
    ImbJones: folds
    JMFISH: raises 3000 to 4000
    dboyz1954: folds
    JDeEzLy: ????????

    I would assume flat calling is out of the question, given the stack sizes, so am I supposed to fold or shove here?

    ETA: No reads. This was literally the first hand I played at the table (just got moved). I usually hate playing the first hand...
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  9. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 4:28pm) in reply to JDeEzLy

    First hand I think is a GLD. You're either flipping or a huge dog.

    Second hand is tricky. With no reads you could make a case for folding.
  10. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 7:37pm) in reply to JDeEzLy

    The second hand is just one of those situations that come up all the time that you hate. You have no idea where you're at, you pretty much have no fold equity, and you're praying to be a coinflip... but in micros you just never know. Would you be shocked if you pushed, he called, and he flipped over something like AJ, A10, KQ, etc? I wouldn't.

    However, lately in the smaller tournaments I've been seeing a lot of people raising 4x the BB with stronger hands. Not exactly sure why, maybe it's just coincidence that it's happened a lot at the tables I've been at over the past few weeks, but it seems like they're always tabling AA/KK/QQ/AK.

    Anyway, unless this guy had been opening up a lot, I'm mucking. How'd it turn out?
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  11. JDeEzLy JDeEzLy is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 9:31pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    pokerstars Game #13081370697: Tournament #66049218, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (500/1000) - 2007/11/06 - 17:10:36 (ET)
    Table '66049218 41' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: JMFISH (25092 in chips)
    Seat 2: dboyz1954 (14500 in chips)
    Seat 3: JDeEzLy (16095 in chips)
    Seat 4: pablo818 (36103 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 5: Kati3007 (1800 in chips)
    Seat 6: GAGATO (23600 in chips)
    Seat 7: CowCowCow (23203 in chips)
    Seat 8: jake74 (36432 in chips)
    Seat 9: ImbJones (21645 in chips)
    JMFISH: posts the ante 100
    dboyz1954: posts the ante 100
    JDeEzLy: posts the ante 100
    pablo818: posts the ante 100
    Kati3007: posts the ante 100
    GAGATO: posts the ante 100
    CowCowCow: posts the ante 100
    jake74: posts the ante 100
    ImbJones: posts the ante 100
    GAGATO: posts small blind 500
    CowCowCow: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JDeEzLy [Qs Ac]
    jake74: folds
    ImbJones: folds
    JMFISH: raises 3000 to 4000
    dboyz1954: folds
    JDeEzLy: raises 11995 to 15995 and is all-in
    pablo818: folds
    Kati3007: folds
    GAGATO: folds
    CowCowCow: folds
    JMFISH: calls 11995
    *** FLOP *** [5h Ah 6d]
    *** TURN *** [5h Ah 6d] [Js]
    *** RIVER *** [5h Ah 6d Js] [Jc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    JMFISH: shows [Ad Jd] (a full house, Jacks full of Aces)
    JDeEzLy: shows [Qs Ac] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
    JMFISH collected 34390 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 34390 | Rake 0
    Board [5h Ah 6d Js Jc]
    Seat 1: JMFISH showed [Ad Jd] and won (34390) with a full house, Jacks full of Aces
    Seat 2: dboyz1954 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: JDeEzLy showed [Qs Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
    Seat 4: pablo818 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Kati3007 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: GAGATO (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: CowCowCow (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: jake74 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: ImbJones folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Knocked me out on the bubble of the 3r. I needed that win so bad...
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  12. FishOnTilt FishOnTilt is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 9:36pm) in reply to JDeEzLy

    results oritented ftw.
     
  13. ChipRick ChipRick is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 9:45pm) in reply to FishOnTilt

    lol we think alike
  14. JDeEzLy JDeEzLy is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2007 (11/6/2007 11:07pm) in reply to FishOnTilt

    Nothing wrong with making sure I made the right play.
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