Was watching poker after dark online out of boredom and saw that Ivan Demidov felt european players were tougher than americans. I got into an argument with a buddy of mine about this. Basically I just feel that europeans in live poker are in general tougher than americans. But online it's not even close, americans are far superior. Do others agree with me here? (mostly regarding live, friend agreed with online).

people < 6ft with blue eyes are best live, imo. However, they are less likely to adapt online

 

Originally Posted by TheRealMT

germans and italians are TERRIBLE online...like so bad it almost hurts to see them play.

most my buddies are italian and yes , there the worst ive seen.

 

Originally Posted by bef99hwk

Everyone online fking sucks...no matter what country you are in, everyone just sucks...and without run good accts/RNG nut huggers, they wouldn't win. Live I have no opinion on, but every country I've seen has sucked tremendously...to name the top ones (no offense to top ranked players) but Brazil, Germany, Austria, Denmark and of course US players blow.

Lol bef99hwk, the discussion wasn't meant to be about how good people are. Obv majority of ppl suck everywhere in the world. I was just talking about comparing euros to americans.

Noorzad is from Sweden I'm from the US. If 55 % of Europeans play this bad it's a no brainer. GL at the tables.

pokerstars Game #26736098349: Tournament #153400114, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/04/04 23:22:57 ET
Table '153400114 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: emetzger (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: dunkan2150 (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: Noorzad (1460 in chips)
Seat 4: rebelfd (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: Lucky4013 (1340 in chips)
Seat 6: Ray-8513 (2000 in chips)
Seat 7: Latina Star (1260 in chips)
Seat 8: Ant Flem (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: BadAcesStory (1500 in chips)
rebelfd: posts small blind 10
Lucky4013: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rebelfd [Ah Kh]
Ray-8513: folds
Latina Star: folds
Ant Flem: folds
BadAcesStory: folds
emetzger: folds
dunkan2150: folds
Noorzad: raises 20 to 40
rebelfd: raises 160 to 200
Lucky4013: calls 180
Noorzad: raises 160 to 360
rebelfd: raises 1120 to 1480 and is all-in
Lucky4013: folds
Noorzad: calls 1100 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (20) returned to rebelfd
*** FLOP *** [2c 5s Tc]
*** TURN *** [2c 5s Tc] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [2c 5s Tc 4c] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rebelfd: shows [Ah Kh] (high card Ace)
Noorzad: shows [4d Js] (a pair of Fours)
Noorzad collected 3120 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3120 | Rake 0
Board [2c 5s Tc 4c Qh]
Seat 1: emetzger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: dunkan2150 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Noorzad (button) showed [4d Js] and won (3120) with a pair of Fours
Seat 4: rebelfd (small blind) showed [Ah Kh] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 5: Lucky4013 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Ray-8513 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Latina Star folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Ant Flem folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: BadAcesStory folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Math,

Got plenty more where that came from. Some from the Germans, English, even the French. Albeit I see some US players this bad, but generally speaking Americans are better I agree with you on that point.

Scandinavians ftw

 

Originally Posted by boogey77

 

Originally Posted by TheRealMT

germans and italians are TERRIBLE online...like so bad it almost hurts to see them play.

most my buddies are italian and yes , there the worst ive seen.

You forgot Russians for the most part...the shit i see from Germans and Russians make my ears and eyes bleed.

 

Originally Posted by mathclub

i love how someone always wants to post a single hand in a broad discussion as if it means anything at all.

and all of the euro sites online are WAY easier than the american sites. euros just suck in general, averrage american player is much better.

I think this has nothing to do with where they are from and everything to do with how easy it is for a random donk to deposit

Its gotten so bad that I check where everybody is from before I even sit down at the table to see if any germans are playing. The reason I do this is because those idiots suck at the pokah so bad it tilts the fuck out of me when they suck out 2 out of every 3 times.

I generally pick a different table so i dont get so tilted.

 

Originally Posted by andersmeli

 

Originally Posted by threeven

 

Originally Posted by mathclub

i love how someone always wants to post a single hand in a broad discussion as if it means anything at all.

and all of the euro sites online are WAY easier than the american sites. euros just suck in general, averrage american player is much better.

I think this has nothing to do with where they are from and everything to do with how easy it is for a random donk to deposit

QFT! i also think poker is becomin so global its hard to generalize

i also notice that the euros on tilt and stars are worse than the usa players quite consistently

Im a european who lives in America, and I suck, what does that mean?..

 

Originally Posted by Assassinato

Lol, what a fucking joke, give Americans credit when we deserve it. Just because it's hard to admit the damned Yank in a baseball hat eatingsBurgers and a Coke kicks your ass at a game doesn't mean its not true ;)

We've had the game the longest and we have the most dominating players in all fields of the game right now. It's starting to change, and there are tons of great players from everywhere now, and in ten years its my hope that the poker world will be really diverse, but for the most part I still think America has the most dominant players.

Put one person on the EPT and then on the WPT and tell me which tournament fields are harder. Look at the high stakes winners lists and see how many are American. Ivan Demidov is wrong.

I wish I could put you guys behind me when I play on Euro sites. These players aren't good, they are just insane. They do things that make no sense. They never rep anything. It's just celebrated, being aggressive, and once in a while if you just keep pressing the raise button you'll do something that looks really cool, but it doesn't account for all the times you got 200 BBs in with a bare top pair no kicker on a 10-3-2 board.

I just think the culture in Europe is more likely to breed educated players. Education is more celebrated in most European countries I've spent time in, where as in America I was repeatedly told i was a loser growing up because a guy who plays sports shouldn't be into reading.

However Americans are three kinds of crazy and depraved Europeans will never hope to be, and that makes us a little more batshit at the tables, and I've always thought that was a good thing :D

Nobody was arguing the fact that Americans are generally better than Europeans.

You're trying too hard.

Bad players suck, mediocre players are mediocre, and good players are good, while great players are great, and they live all over that world.

Probably more HSMTTers in America than anywhere else, I'm sure the same could be said for nosebleed cash games, though Monaco probably has an insane nosebleed cash game regular per capita.

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