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Amit "amak316" Makhija Disses p5er's ranked

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  1. westflatwolf westflatwolf is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 2:58pm)

    "Honestly, online for me is all about the money. I dont play online to accomplish things. I dont care about rankings and I think people that spend a lot of time trying to become highly ranked are leaving a ton of money on the table. Most of the ranked players on Pocket Fives are mediocre at best and half of them are making less money a year than a $1-$2 NL grinder."

    How much truth is there to this?
  2. MuiMuiBueno MuiMuiBueno is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:01pm) in reply to westflatwolf

    a lot, as i would assume only a handful of online players make more than the avg winning player at 1/2. that said i prefer tourneys online as do those who r ranked on this site. just like the avg 1/2 grinder prefers cash to MTTs.
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:02pm) in reply to westflatwolf

    I've been saying this for years, good to see other people on my side of the fence.
     
  4. ImSoMucked ImSoMucked is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:06pm) in reply to westflatwolf

    a lot of 1/2 grinders make like 125/hr and up
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:09pm) in reply to westflatwolf

    Everything Amak says is true, even while he sleeps
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:28pm) in reply to andressoprano

     
    Originally Posted by andressoprano View Post

    Everything Amak says is true, even while he sleeps

    Online mtts are boring and frustrating, cash is boring and well, boring, but ur pulling in solid money not having to do a whole lot. 1/2 cash players def make more than mtt players...everyone knows ppl play mtts because there is a finish line. But agreed.
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:35pm) in reply to bef99hwk

     
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post

     
    Originally Posted by andressoprano View Post

    Everything Amak says is true, even while he sleeps

    Online mtts are boring and frustrating, cash is boring and well, boring, but ur pulling in solid money not having to do a whole lot. 1/2 cash players def make more than mtt players...everyone knows ppl play mtts because there is a finish line. But agreed.

    And because its much easier to run hundreds of thousands of dollars > expectation in MTTs. But yes Amak is completely right and this has been said by many people for a long time.
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  8. tcstunna tcstunna is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:39pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    very true. A lot of them just put in a ton of volume and are just better then break even
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:48pm) in reply to tcstunna

    lol i usually dont post much, but had to cause this thread is retarded, hes not dissing anyone, hes just stating the facts most 1/2 grinders make more than mtt grinders money wise
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:48pm) in reply to tcstunna

     
    Originally Posted by tcstunna View Post

    very true. A lot of them just put in a ton of volume and are just better then break even

    This too...almost depressing to think I'm sub par to guys in the top 100-200 and look up stats and see that their profit is almost zilch compared to their winnings, and ROI is like 10-20%...makes me feel like once I get up there I'll never win a whole lot to make it worth it. But like SCT says, results aren't everything and I agree. Just food for thought.
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:50pm) in reply to tcstunna

    and thats why the p5's ranking system is completely flawed. you could be a losing player, but not a complete donkey, log a lot of volume at the higher stakes, get lucky a few times and go deep in some big tournaments, and probably get ranked just based on the fact that you get so many more points if the prizepool is bigger
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:52pm) in reply to govshark2

     
    Originally Posted by govshark2 View Post

    lol i usually dont post much, but had to cause this thread is retarded, hes not dissing anyone, hes just stating the facts most 1/2 grinders make more than mtt grinders money wise

    While its true that most 1/2 grinders make more than mtt grinders, he is certainly dissing them. He called them mediocre at best lol.
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:56pm) in reply to SCTrojans

    where was this posted
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 3:58pm) in reply to SCTrojans

     
    Originally Posted by SCTrojans View Post

     
    Originally Posted by govshark2 View Post

    lol i usually dont post much, but had to cause this thread is retarded, hes not dissing anyone, hes just stating the facts most 1/2 grinders make more than mtt grinders money wise

    While its true that most 1/2 grinders make more than mtt grinders, he is certainly dissing them. He called them mediocre at best lol.

    werd, i think hes just stating his opinion and their def. wasnt malicious intent is all im saying
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 4:06pm) in reply to govshark2

    lol even if he thought they were mediocre at best y would he say that. r the HSMTTers not friends of his i mean wat a dick lol
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 4:22pm) in reply to MuiMuiBueno

     
    Originally Posted by MuiMuiBueno View Post

    lol even if he thought they were mediocre at best y would he say that. r the HSMTTers not friends of his i mean wat a dick lol

    im sure he is friends with alot of them still, i think he is saying that with the proper roll, dedication, and volume most competent players could be ranked, which is what he meant by mediocre at best...imo
     
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 4:36pm) in reply to westflatwolf

    how much does a 1/2nl grinder make... avg?
     
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 4:44pm) in reply to PiKappRaider

    say they make 5BB/100hands and they play 50000 hands a month (which isnt shit) theyre making about 5k a month plus rakeback which is what...60k+ a year. Not bad id say
     
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 4:46pm) in reply to westflatwolf

    For some people fame or simply a positive marketable image is more important than maximizing immediate $EV, and there might not be much of a tradeoff at all for some. Life and people have many aspects and sides and you can't put yourself in someone else's shoes and decide what's best for them
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 4:47pm) in reply to PiKappRaider

     
    Originally Posted by PiKappRaider View Post

    how much does a 1/2nl grinder make... avg?

    less than u
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 4:55pm) in reply to mendieta19

    Amak speaks the truth, cash games is where all da monies is at.
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 4:56pm) in reply to mendieta19

    looking at mtter's stats over a year is so variance oriented that its so far from their true expectation....
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 5:01pm) in reply to z06fanatic

     
    Originally Posted by z06fanatic View Post

    looking at mtter's stats over 20 years is so variance oriented that its so far from their true expectation....

    fyp
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  24. GoMukYaSelf GoMukYaSelf is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 5:03pm) in reply to mendieta19

    you can make $100/hr just in rakeback at 1/2 if you are SNE
     
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 5:27pm) in reply to PiKappRaider

     
    Originally Posted by PiKappRaider View Post

    how much does a 1/2nl grinder make... avg?

    ive just been messing around with cash startin this year, 1 tabling 1/2 for the most part and sometimes 2 tabling and right now im at $65/hr...not sure how long I can expect to keep this up or what avg $/hr/table should be at 1/2 but so far it seems as a nice help for mtt variance and additional income...
     
  26. amak316 amak316 is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 5:27pm) in reply to GoMukYaSelf

    I suppose the tone of the answer was off, I am not hating on HSMtt players, I think there are quite a few who are very good at poker and make good money doing so, I just think that quite a few ranked players are only ranked due to volume and are mediocre. There are definitely a lot of people on the rankings that make more than 5-10nl+ grinders and I respect alot of them greatly. I still play tournaments, not hating, just saying there are people who try to get ranked and not make money and better themselves as players, this is silly to me.

    The article he is referencing is http://www.pokerroad.com/15_outs-one_time/amit_makhija/

    Sorry if I offended anyone
     
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 5:32pm) in reply to amak316

    o and amak i dont think ur a dick i just thought it was a strange thing for u to say
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 5:33pm) in reply to amak316

    mediocre at best probably wasnt a fair way to word that, lol, I answered those questions quick, and 1/2 may have been an exaggeration, 2/4nl may be more accurate i'm not really sure.
     
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 5:34pm) in reply to willbec1

     
    Originally Posted by willbec1 View Post

    say they make 5BB/100hands and they play 50000 hands a month (which isnt shit) theyre making about 5k a month plus <a href='http://rakeback.pocketfives.com' target='blank'>rakeback</A> which is what...60k+ a year. Not bad id say

    I wouldnt say 50k hands a month isnt shit. it took me like 6 months to play 50k hands of cash in 08, and it was painful enough
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    Jan 17th, 2009 (1/17/2009 5:34pm) in reply to westflatwolf

    I never really thought that someone could make more money grinding 1/2nl than being a ranked player... even if some are mediocre most are good I think. How much does that average ranked mtter make?
     
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