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  1. In writing the latest article about Annette's huge win I was thinking about what effect it will have on the participation of women in poker.

    I wanted to make the claim that this was the first ever NLHE win by a woman in an open field. (WSOP)

    I was mighty close, but then I found this:

    1. Aubrey Day

    <TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=4 width="100%" align=center bgColor=#b0b3b7 border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=center bgColor=#edf3f9><TD>1978 9th Annual World Series of Poker
    No Limit Hold'em (Event 5)
    $1,000 buy-in</TD><TD align=middle>5/11/1978</TD><TD align=middle>1st</TD><TD align=middle>$42,600</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    It was a winner take all event too! (45 players)

    So that's one FIRST that Annette can't claim, but there are plenty of others.

    What effect do you think her win will have on the numbers of women participating in poker over the next few years?
  2. I think it's all going to be in how hard they market annette. It was easy when moneymaker won because it was all over the news. If the poker industry wants to turn this into the next poker boom we really need to see her on sportscenter, nightly tv shows, have her WSOP episode run a bunch of times, etc.
  3. the WSOPE needs to be broadcasted on ESPN
  4. I wonder, will the European WSOP get ESPN (or other) coverage? I think tv will have a critical effect on how it effects people.

    I really think all that happened here is Annette proved what many players have always thought. With the internet, if you have the determination and the intellegence, you can dominate this game. It doesn't matter if your an 80 year old man or an 18 year old woman, it matters what's in your head, not who you are.

    What's funny is, if there is a real "Annette" factor, you likely won't see it for a few years, since they would likely have to be young women who will now just start over the next 6 months, it will likely take them a few years to get up there. My hunch is that there are quite a few women playing poker online right now, what this win will do is give them the confidence to try and be the best. It'll be the final push that some players need, but if Annette hadn't done it, it would have been someone else (much like, if Moneymaker hadn't won the main event, Raymer likely still wins, and he would have started the boom).

    But, this is a monumental moment in poker, and likely something that will be referenced 20+ years down the line, especially when half the fields are women.

    I wonder if thanking Annette will be a cliche thing to do many years down the road, just like many black baseball players reference Jackie Robinson for their success.
  5. Annette needs to be marketted properly.

    In europe it's already done, this will have a great effect.

    In the US, they need to get her on Leno and Letterman, and tell her story. Then you'd start to see some interest! They have stuff like this on late night talk shows all the time, and her story is very intriguing even to a non-poker audience.
  6. Merketing can be a double edged sword. Annette's story is going to bring attention to a game that most of society doesn't understand. What's going to happen when Annette get's the big marketing push, then goes out the first day in a handful of big tournaments. Everyone will just assume she's the next Anna Kournakova and really sucks, which isn't true at all.

    I'm not sure a big marketing push is needed. It's the great thing about iconic wins, they really will market themselves over time.
  7. amarillo slim once said that he would slit his own throat if a woman ever won the main event
     
  8. I think there are different groups that this could affect. You have our group of players who know how great she is at the game, and are inspired in some way. Let's say you're a ranked player, you now have a benchmark of sorts. Or, you're a low limit grinder, you know that's where she came from, and you want to get to where she is too.

    Then there's the people that play, but are outside of this circle. They don't visit forums and such. I think their general curiousity toward Annette will bring them to find out more about her, and thus, will bring them to forums like this one, and others.

    Lastly, there's the people that don't really play, but watch a young girl win, and are inspired to play. I think this will most certainly happen in Europe (and surrounding areas), however, with it being a task for new players in America to deposit, it will remain to be seen. One thing I do know is that if Americans were allowed to easily deposit, Annettes win could very well spark a large influx of new American players.
  9. The problem is her age, you can send her to Leno and tell her story, but its going to be another two years until she can actually play in America, so im not sure if that may hold her back abit.
  10. Difference is Annette already has a SICK track record (granted online is the "minor" leagues to most people...)
     
  11. Great article Lenny! And for the record, I am not a feminist and I hate that movement with a passion - there is no way I am burning my pretty braws. As for being a woman who plays poker, something very favorable can be said about being underestimated. However, I won't say it (eventho I <3 it). Annette rulez - that's all that needs to be said. ;-)
     
  12. I feel like any woman interested in playing poker already has a desire to be a better player. I just don't see women players gleening more confidence from another woman's win. It doesn't make sense to me.

    What I do see is her win sparking an interest in the game in some people who had previously just not bothered. This goes hand in hand with the WSOPE being broadcast in the States. If ESPN doesn't pick it up, they're idiots because it's a great story and great television. People will get interested in the story, then get interested in the game itself. At the end of the day, hopefully there's a little less gender inequity.
  13. Last night during the F.T. broadcast of Raymer's win Tom McEvoy didn't even know that the winner of WSOPE was a women! When he was told by his sidekick he didn't even recognize who she was. Embarrassing for pokerstars as he again was told she plays "night and day" on their site. He still didn't rocognize who she was! Another example of the old pro's ( who are on contract for an online site ) discounting the accomplishments of top online players through pure ignorance .
  14. I think it means even more 16-18 year old males will play.
     
  15. (this is mrtimcaum on randal's laptop)

    im about 99% sure aubrey day is a guy (or was a guy, could very well be dead by now)
  16. I dont think the wsope is comparable to the wsop as far as size and strength of field. Im sure with all the pros that entered the wsope made that tournament extremely difficult to go through because of the lack of dead money. to me it was just like another wpt tourney. i think most of the appeal of the main event comes from the overwhelming amount of entrants which would make the casual viewer feel its nearly impossible to win one of these.
  17. I'm sure also MTC. I found this...

    "In 1969 Tom Moore bought the Holiday Hotel in Reno and held what he called "The Texas Gamblers Reunion." Essentially a who's who of the gambling fraternity, including Benny and Jack Binion, and several of the Texas Rounders - Amarillo Slim Preston, Doyle Brunson, Treetop Straus, Johnny Moss, "Corky" McCorquodale, <span>Aubrey Day</span>, Puggy Pearson, Jimmy Casella, Bill Boyd, Syd Wyman, Long Diddie, and Jimmy the Greek. Even Minnesota Fats, who was in town giving a pool exhibition showed up."

    There's no way a woman was part of the gambling fraternity in the late 60s and early 70s. The culture then just wouldn't have allowed it.
     
  18. I think more will play creating bigger fields and bigger prizepools and also creating more support for online poker so its all good.
  19. I dont think having her come onto Leno or Lettermen, or even having her profiled on ESPN would telling her story would be such a good idea.

    Just think about this for a minute people.. she tells her story of how she started at 15, which is illegal in all online poker sites. With the online poker trying to get legislated here in the states, do you really think it would be a good idea to market her here in the US with her telling how she got started? I don't think it would be a good idea.

    You cant play in the WSOP until your 21 and while some of you will use Ivey as a reference when he sneaked into AC casino's to play while underage, please keep in mind the new tax law that went into affect. If someone wins more than 5k and has to fill out tax forms and they have a fake id, then that person isn't getting a dime of that money.

    I honestly dont think her win is going to have any affect at all here in the states other than underage kids playing on poker sites even more so then they are now. I could also see it being a negative influence to be honest. If her story airs on ESPN, and kids see how successful she has been online before she graduated HS, how many kids are going to think they can accomplish what she has online wise and give up on the idea of going to college?

    Im not trying to slam anything here and I think her win is absolutely fantastic. I could see it as def. bringing out more women to play. Double edge sword here.

    In Europe though, it could be huge if they are marketing her properly.
  20. Did he say "slit his own throat?" I thought it was something else. I'm not positive on this one but I've heard that quote, too, and was pretty sure it was something else he'd do.

    Anyone?

    p.s. Amarillo, being the seasoned prop bettor he is, would quickly point out that this was not THE main event and therefore would not have to deliver on the promise!
  21. i dont think its going to have the effect people think. If you dont hang out on poker forums like this everyday, you wouldnt even know who annette is, which is the majority of casual players on stars and other sites. these casual players are the people that your talking about coming to poker now because of annettes win. I play homes games with guys that play casually, due to life outside (wife,girlfriend, etc..) of poker, these guys could take a look at the leaderboeard and not have a clue who these players are, and could care less. I agrre with last post, wsope does not compare to wsop in vegas. I really hope that espn picks it up, it would be nice to see, but i think if ESPN was going to they would have planned for it and you would see thier presence thier, just my thoughts.
  22. Being a Disney employee, I have some insight that this will never happen. The WSOP only fares slightly better than the WNBA as it is, and ESPN has mostly given up on women's golf. The ratings for poker are way down from a few years ago. Poker as a spectator event on TV is going to have a relatively low shelf life, I believe.
  23. Ken Smith, Gabe Kaplan and Barbara Freer (the first woman player).

    <sup id="_ref-UNLV_2">
    <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_World_Series_of_Poker#_note-UNLV" title="">t says this on wikipedia for tthe 1978 wsop. so aubrey day probably isn't a woman too.
    </a></sup>
  24. That was exactly the research I was doing right now as well. I didn't think Aubrey Day was a female, but I couldn't find more proof then the passage above...
  25. Thanks for the follow-up, I was pretty sure Aubrey Day wasn't a female as well...but someone would have to ask the likes of Doyle, Gabe Kaplan, Amarillo Slim or Mickey Appleman to know for sure.
  26. we(as online poker community) should start working together to get WSOPE on a major US network.
  27. Honestly I don't think it would be smart for ESPN or anyone to market Annette's win that much in the United States. If Annette is marketed hard, every interview she does will inevitably turn to the fact that she has been doing this since she was 16 (or whatever age she was, as she was obviously underage). In the United States this will give the opponents of internet gambling the easiest fuel ever in their continuing fight to stop online poker.

    Edit: I just read mesa's response and I said the same thing as him.
     
  28. That's one way to look at it, another would be that Annette's win helps separate poker from gambling. Annette has been a successful online player for awhile now and is also taking down live events when she can play. There is obviously luck and chance in poker but the more players like Annette continue to win the more the game will become defined as predominantly a skill game. If nothing else her win helps separate poker from other types of "gambling".
  29. Yeah, Aubrey is not necessarily a female name. Take for example, former Tampa Bay Devil Ray and current Baltimore Oriole Aubrey Huff. I can assure you, he's a guy.
  30. I remember reading that WSOP accounts for a lot of ESPN's ratings
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