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Another 2/4 NL hand.

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  1. gambler2k4 gambler2k4 is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:40am)

    What you think? his image is a loose 19.5/18.5.

    Table 'Griqua' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: Poly_Baller ($506.40 in chips)
    Seat 2: Punty ($400 in chips)
    Seat 3: CoupdOeil ($394 in chips)
    Seat 6: gambler2k4 ($406.10 in chips)
    gambler2k4: posts small blind $2
    Poly_Baller: posts big blind $4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to gambler2k4 [Jh Qh]
    Punty: raises $12 to $16
    CoupdOeil: folds
    gambler2k4: calls $14
    Poly_Baller: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Kd Jd Qd]
    gambler2k4: bets $20
    Punty: raises $48 to $68
    gambler2k4: calls $48
    *** TURN *** [Kd Jd Qd] [3c]
    gambler2k4: checks
    Punty: bets $124
    Gambler2k4: ?????????????
     
  2. d2themfi d2themfi is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:43am) in reply to gambler2k4

    easy fold.
     
  3. threeven threeven is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:43am) in reply to gambler2k4

    Why play 2/4 when you can play 5/10?

    pokerstars GAME #7469740355: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2006/12/16 - 15:19:51 (ET)
    Table 'Peneleos' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 4: Dalmations ($597 in chips)
    Seat 5: Lukieplaya ($4614 in chips)
    Seat 6: gambler2k4 ($995 in chips)
    Lukieplaya: posts small blind $5
    gambler2k4: posts big blind $10
    __2cb__: sits out
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Lukieplaya [4d As]
    Dalmations: folds
    Lukieplaya: raises $30 to $40
    gambler2k4: raises $100 to $140
    Longhorne joins the table at seat #2
    Lukieplaya: raises $4474 to $4614 and is all-in
    gambler2k4: calls $855 and is all-in
    *** FLOP *** [8h 2d 3h]
    *** TURN *** [8h 2d 3h] [6d]
    *** RIVER *** [8h 2d 3h 6d] [2h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Lukieplaya: shows [4d As] (a pair of Deuces)
    gambler2k4: mucks hand
    Lukieplaya collected $1989 from pot
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  4. The Sour Diesel The Sour Diesel is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:45am) in reply to gambler2k4

    depends on his agro factor...I could see ppl making this with a lot more hands than you think, especially if you've shown you can lay a good hand down. id say 1/2 the time he has AdKx and the other half he has you beat.

    Against your std player I fold this hand, but against an agro player who I've seen take that line...I probably shove.
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:48am) in reply to gambler2k4

    KQ=tougher fold
    QJ..middle two with flush and straight draw potential=easier fold

    not easy, just easier to let it go here..he's mega aggro so take advantage of a later more appealing situation
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:49am) in reply to gambler2k4

    P.S. I dont like donk betting in this situation
     
  7. gambler2k4 gambler2k4 is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:54am) in reply to cmkpics

    Well I hope you guys are seeing that the flop is all the same suit.

    Can't we put him on:

    AdK
    AdQ
    AdJ

    ????????

    I mean this guy is 19/18 and a guy with stats like this will usually play the 3 above mentiolned hands exactly how he's playing them.
     
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:55am) in reply to gambler2k4

    easy fold. you're out of position and no idea where you're at after you checked the turn.
     
  9. gambler2k4 gambler2k4 is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:55am) in reply to d2themfi

    What is this "donk betting" you speak of?
     
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 1:56am) in reply to gambler2k4

    i thought it was kinda implied he could have a pair and flush draw..guess i just already took that into consideration
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 2:02am) in reply to gambler2k4

    Wow, what a tough spot to be in. I would fold here, I wouldn't like it, but I would fold. There are so many things that beat you and your out of position. So it's gonna be impossible to keep the pot small. 124 on the turn, what do you think he's gonna bet on the river?
     
  12. The Sour Diesel The Sour Diesel is offline

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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 2:08am) in reply to gambler2k4

    betting 20 into that pot just screams weakness.
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 2:09am) in reply to dlperrio

    well obviously; calling his bet isn't even an option.

    Maybe I should have been more clear and asked whether or not this is a push or fold.
     
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 2:10am) in reply to gambler2k4

    at best he has a shitload of outs. Fold
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 2:12am) in reply to gambler2k4

    Donk betting is when you lead into the preflop raiser. It doesnt have to be a weak bet, it can be a very stron bet esp when deep stacked. I would mostly c/c this flop if the pfr is aggressive
     
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 2:15am) in reply to gambler2k4

    already answered...fold
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 2:22am) in reply to cmkpics

    k You guys were right. I elected to shove because I put him on AdQ, K, J for whatever reason. He called and showed flopped flush.
     
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 2:33am) in reply to gambler2k4

    We live and we learn.
     
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 2:39am) in reply to gambler2k4

    Pushing is terrible in this spot. I don't mind calling his flop raise to evaluate the turn, but once he makes that bet... fold.
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 2:56am) in reply to gambler2k4

    He's also playing all the hands that beat you the exact same way.
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 4:15am) in reply to gambler2k4

    hindsight is so easy...

    ur gonna call his flop raise, to reevaluate the turn... theres no question about this. ur hoping for no Ace, King, T, 9, and no diamonds. he has so much leverage with this hand in position. id fold after that bet on the turn about 60% of the time considering his reraise before the flop. if he didnt reraise before the flop id go broke. i might still go broke and reload considering his stats. sometimes u feel like a nut, sometimes u dont.

    would this be a problem if you had 4x buyin?
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    Aug 12th, 2007 (8/12/2007 4:18am) in reply to gambler2k4

    Why call the flop if you're going to fold the world's safest turn?
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