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  1. Oh Rale Oh Rale is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 10:40am)

    Well, i was gonna post this about 6 months ago, but didn't know what kind of response i would get, but here goes. I made my first deposit on UB, 2/13/05, for 50$, and built my roll to 1,100 playing nothing but 10$ and 20$ sngs. I mean i could win the 10's in my sleep.(I even had a rail, no chit). Well, i wanted to take my poker to the next level, so i bought SuperSystem 2. Read it from cocer to cover, even read Mathew Hilgers book on internet poker. Soon after reading these books and trying to apply these methods into my own game, it just went downhill. I could not win a sngo to save my life. After about 2 months of this, my roll was down to 200$, where it has stayed to present day, mainly playing .5-.10, 1$ sngs, the occasional 5$, 1$ mtt's, and freerolls. Was just wondering was i on i sick rush for 6 months (getting lucky?), the books just a coincidence?, i dunno, I would consider myself tight,aggressive(pre-books), then loose-aggressive (post-books), now don't no where I am. I seem to do well live, I have won the local rebuy twice, both paying 500$ each for 1st, and dominate our "home games". I'm not looking to make a living playing poker (no chit, eh), just wish I could find my "internet game" back. Just wondering has anyone else had a similar experience? Thanks Oh rale.
  2. Grindeitout Grindeitout is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 10:45am) in reply to Oh Rale

    Whay arent u playing the 10$ and 20$ sng's / looks like u had success with them in the past
    and u only had 50 bucks then - u still have 200 now - move back to those levels - and play the tight aggressive style that worked before.
  3. Stinger885 Stinger885 is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 2:38pm) in reply to Oh Rale

    I can't speak for Hilger's book, but the material in SS2 is really not applicable to SNGs, especially low limit ones. LAG is a bad style for those because people call everything. Even for low limit cash games you should play tighter than the normal LAG style. The best strategy for SNGs is to play TAG until the blinds get big and a few players are out, and then switch to a LAG style. On UB I start opening up when the blinds get to around the 50/100 level. If you're looking for a book to help you out your best bets are Harrington on Hold'em Volumes 1 and 2. Hope this helps.
     
  4. nowicki2005 nowicki2005 is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 2:45pm) in reply to Oh Rale

    its better to have a tag style for your sngs. i think the answer is obvious though, just go back to what you were doing. you change your game and start losing. just revert back to how you were playing previously
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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 3:04pm) in reply to Oh Rale

    Heres my 2 cents...

    If you consider yourself tight/aggressive tournament player, Super System 1 or 2 isn't the book for you. First of all he speaks on behlaf of loose/aggressive players in cash games more so than tournaments. I think you need to read both of Harrington's books, they will pay for themselves in a week tops. Anyways, playing .5-.10 and 1$ SNG's has nothing to do with YOUR skill, the players pretty much aren't good in those SNG's. I mean if you played 10$-20$ SNG's then dropped down to 1$ SNG's obviously there is going to be a HUGE difference in the skill level of the players. You need to move back up to atleast the 5$ SNG's and nevermind that garbage 1$ SNG's and .5-.10. Stick with what won you your $ in the beginning.
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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 3:47pm) in reply to Ryans77

    Sounds familiar. After you had some success you changed your approach, I think this happens a lot. When you start winning there are 2 things you want; to win more and to win it faster. So you experiment with a faster, looser, more aggressive style and LOSE. As others have already said, go back to playing the games and the style you won with, but use what you learned form your LAG experiment and you should do even better than before. GL
  7. Lenny Lenny is offline lail henny!

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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 3:53pm) in reply to Oh Rale

    I agree that Harrington is better for tournament play than SS I/II

    Harrington on Hold'em Harrington

    Harrington on Hold'em 2 Harrington

    LAG play can be very profitable in cash games and in online MTTs chip accumulation is a must. Check out the Cardrunners article on the front page, they explain some of the misconceptions many people have about LAG and how to transition successfully if you are trying it out.

    If you haven't read Adam's sitngo article I highly recommend it : A guide to single table tournaments
  8. Jack_Ace75 Jack_Ace75 is offline

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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 4:00pm) in reply to Cabo

    Definitely go back to the same levels that you were winning at for so long. Although, with a $200 BR, its not sufficient for the 10's and 20's. You can run into the variance and go 5 or 10 games without cashing out and before you know if, your bankroll will be gone. Have at least 50 times the Buy-in. The Super System book, i found to be geared more towards high stakes NL cash games, with blinds in the 100's if not 1000's. The Harrington Books are what i would suggest, they are geared more towards MTTs and SNG's type games and internet games.

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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 4:31pm) in reply to Stinger885

    Couldn't agree with you more about Harrington's books. I bought both of them before I started playing real money at UB and it had helped me out tremendously.
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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 4:44pm) in reply to Lenny

    Read fox's freebie at www.pokerfox.net
    It will help you put the tight in TAG back into your game
    IMHO You also lost focus after reading the books. Prior to the books you only played the $10 sng's and after books you started to mix it up with different types of games. Remember that for each type of game you play you need a seperate BR. Also read fox's article at this site about BR management.
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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 4:46pm) in reply to Lenny

    Thats a very accurate article , thanks for the link. Dunno how i missed it the first time round, but good results so far =)
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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 4:48pm) in reply to Lenny

    Just read it and that is an amazingly good article. Most of it just makes sense but its stuff low limit players might just overlook.
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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 5:14pm) in reply to SNG_ACE

    Thanks for all the genuine replies guys, I appreciate it. Oh Rale.
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    Jan 25th, 2006 (1/25/2006 5:38pm) in reply to Oh Rale

    Hey, I actually had a similar experience, although I'm pretty sure my early winnings were really just luck, but I've always wondered. I won the first tourney I ever played on UB (first tourney of any kind I ever played) with a field of almost 1,200 ($1 buy-in), then I finished second in my third MTT ($5.50 buy-in, about 400 players), and right after that was when my poker books started to arrive from Amazon! I read a bunch of them and changed my style accordingly, and since then I've had exactly zero final tables even at a non-satellite MTT (about a dozen final tables in satellites, though). My "strategy" in the those first few tourneys, before I knew anything about poker, was to practically never raise pre-flop -- if I had pocket jacks in late position with a limper or two, I would limp as well, not knowing any better (not even knowing what "limp" meant!), and then after the flop I'd only stick around if it hit me hard. I keep thinking I should try that strategy again, since it had such big success -- as I recall, in those two tourneys where I finished first and second I was never even all-in with my tourney at stake until the final tables. But I'm pretty sure I just got lucky to catch a lot of cards, because using that strategy will normally just slowly dwindle your stack away if the deck is at all cold for you. I've done so poorly in MTTs since then, though, that it couldn't hurt to give it another try!
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