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Any way to fold here?

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  1. KYDERBYFAN1 KYDERBYFAN1 is offline

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    Jan 8th, 2010 (1/8/2010 5:32pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #17443158208: $24,000 Guarantee (130915934), Table 31 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:23:18 ET - 2010/01/08
    Seat 1: not_ya_friend (2,980)
    Seat 2: Palau777 (14,545)
    Seat 3: ilmagowalter (7,610)
    Seat 4: WSOPstar2B (12,623)
    Seat 5: Mement_mori (5,440)
    Seat 6: sizzlinbettas (3,925)
    Seat 7: theGrooouuuch (5,425)
    Seat 8: LoraUni (10,570)
    Seat 9: dacoconuts (5,515)
    not_ya_friend antes 25
    Palau777 antes 25
    ilmagowalter antes 25
    WSOPstar2B antes 25
    Mement_mori antes 25
    sizzlinbettas antes 25
    theGrooouuuch antes 25
    LoraUni antes 25
    dacoconuts antes 25
    not_ya_friend posts the small blind of 120
    Palau777 posts the big blind of 240
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dacoconuts [Ac As]
    ilmagowalter has 15 seconds left to act
    ilmagowalter has 7 seconds to reconnect
    ilmagowalter has timed out
    ilmagowalter folds
    ilmagowalter is sitting out
    WSOPstar2B raises to 580
    Mement_mori folds
    sizzlinbettas folds
    theGrooouuuch folds
    LoraUni folds
    dacoconuts calls 580
    not_ya_friend folds
    Palau777 folds
    *** FLOP *** [Jh Jd 5h]
    WSOPstar2B checks
    dacoconuts checks
    *** TURN *** [Jh Jd 5h] [7s]
    ilmagowalter has reconnected
    ilmagowalter has returned
    WSOPstar2B checks
    dacoconuts checks
    *** RIVER *** [Jh Jd 5h 7s] [Js]
    WSOPstar2B bets 12,018, and is all in
    dacoconuts calls 4,910, and is all in
    Uncalled bet of 7,108 returned to WSOPstar2B
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    WSOPstar2B shows [Jc Kd] four of a kind, Jacks
    dacoconuts mucks
    WSOPstar2B wins the pot (11,565) with four of a kind, Jacks
    dacoconuts stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 11,565 | Rake 0
    Board: [Jh Jd 5h 7s Js]
    Seat 1: not_ya_friend (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: Palau777 (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: ilmagowalter folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: WSOPstar2B showed [Jc Kd] and won (11,565) with four of a kind, Jacks
    Seat 5: Mement_mori folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: sizzlinbettas folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: theGrooouuuch folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: LoraUni folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: dacoconuts (button) mucked [Ac As] - a full house, Jacks full of Aces
     
  2. deckeriv deckeriv is offline

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    Jan 8th, 2010 (1/8/2010 6:16pm) in reply to KYDERBYFAN1

    Another bad way to play aces. Unless the effective M is between 12 and 15, the most profitable line with aces is to 3bet pre. Here, he bet pot pre so he likes his hand somewhat and you have an M less than 10, just shove it in there. Problem solved.
  3. KYDERBYFAN1 KYDERBYFAN1 is offline

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    Jan 8th, 2010 (1/8/2010 6:23pm) in reply to deckeriv

    Thanks deck but I am not asking if I misplayed the aces preflop but whether you can fold the hand on that river with the action. There was a super agro guy two to my left three betting and squeezing every pot....so I took the chance that he would repeat his squeeze move again. But I am more looking for post flop analysis from anyone please....
     
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  4. deckeriv deckeriv is offline

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    Jan 8th, 2010 (1/8/2010 6:31pm) in reply to KYDERBYFAN1

    Well obviously you can't fold on that river. You are only losing to a jack. But that isn't really the point. The mistake was made pre and if you had shoved then the decision doesn't really enter into it. In fact, I bet he folds pre after betting pot and getting shoved. And you weren't really deep enough to play for the squeeze, that works when you are much deeper. The aggro guy, if he's any good, will see that you aren't folding when flatting with that stack.
  5. KYDERBYFAN1 KYDERBYFAN1 is offline

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    Jan 8th, 2010 (1/8/2010 6:36pm) in reply to deckeriv

    Again....not interested in the pre-flop discussion. Happen to disagree with your not deep enough comment given the guy's previous play. He was squeezing smaller stack with garbage. I guess you have to call the river but he way overbet the pot. I put him on a smaller PP like QQ.
     
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    Jan 8th, 2010 (1/8/2010 6:48pm) in reply to KYDERBYFAN1

    Okay, then I'll shut up. You played it perfectly. WP sir.
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    Jan 9th, 2010 (1/9/2010 2:38pm) in reply to KYDERBYFAN1

    flop is gettin check raised a alot...idk if theres anyway you can fold if he check/ jams flop...check behind flop bet turn? are you ever folding when he check jams? prolly not...but then what is he jamming riv with? meh idk ul
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    Jun 2nd, 2010 (6/2/2010 4:59pm) in reply to jm5under

    First of all, Deckeriv, this is supposed to be a constructive forum, don't be a jerk and just berate the guy when he's looking for help.

    And as far as your answer to the question he didn't ask goes, 3betting out of the heroes stack looks far too strong and telegraphs our hand, and jamming is going to lose action from parts of villains range, forcing out a lot of hands that we can get value from post flop (unless we have been very active pre flop reshoving and 3betting, but it doesn't seem that this is the case. Also, just because he's potted pre doesn't mean he is strong, he has a 50 bigs ish and will be potting as a steal a bunch of times in general. Flatting pre is optimal IMO.

    I think the flop check back is best, but when he checks the turn I would definitely bet because you're going to bet your bluffs here nearly 100% of the time when he checks twice to you, and you can induce some spazzing/get two streets of value from medium value showdown hands that are pot controlling.

    And yeah once it gets to this river you can never fold, because if he has been pot controlling medium pairs/trapping with a flopped/turned boat then he may now value bet these hands like this. You beat nearly all of his value range on the river (excluding the J obvs lol)

    Hope this helps.
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  9. Bjizzle44 Bjizzle44 is offline

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    Jun 3rd, 2010 (6/3/2010 1:39am) in reply to The Grouch

    The way this hand is played we're nver folding. Really unlucky for the aces
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    Jun 3rd, 2010 (6/3/2010 4:45am) in reply to Bjizzle44

    Nothing wrong with flatting pre and I agree not really the issue here. With the line taken I can't possibly find a fold on that river. It's obvious Villain has at least a boat and I"m prayin' he ain't flippin' a J.

    Similar spot is you both hold a J but turn pairs board making two boats, similar passive line on flop, turn goes check, check, Villain leads river, there is only one hand if Villian hit his kicker to beat your boat, you call because there is only one hand that you could be losing ( Villain Q-J, hero J-10 ) board J-J-4-4-Q

    Can you ever fold that river ?
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    Jun 3rd, 2010 (6/3/2010 5:05pm) in reply to ekejma

    pre's fine. As played b/c turn
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    Jun 3rd, 2010 (6/3/2010 5:21pm) in reply to rungoodmuch

    Grouch is your first part of your post a joke? When people post hands they are going to be subject to criticism if they ask for it or not. I thought Deck's response was fine.
    Edited By: Coach_Bombay33 Jun 3rd, 2010 at 05:26 PM
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    Jun 4th, 2010 (6/4/2010 12:08pm) in reply to Coach_Bombay33

    Just thought the sign out was a bit ridic, but apologies if I was out of order.
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    Jun 4th, 2010 (6/4/2010 7:39pm) in reply to The Grouch

    Grouch i like your post and i happen to think the flat pre with aces is an optimal play.... however, deck does have a point ,
    the decision to flat pre is marginal at best, im not saying its bad play im just saying if you have an aggro villain like this
    i think its just standard to 3bet him and get your chips in good and possibly give villain the chance of folding pre , giving
    villain a chance to fold. Thats if we knew he would hit quads, but we want villain to call pre, and we want
    him to make a bad call while building a big pot on the flop , soo i just like the 3bet more
    than anything , i think not 3betting here is just missing a gigantic value bet.
    now, i like grouchs analysis on the hand becuz i just think you couldnt have put it more perfect,
    when it goes chk chk then turn chk chk ur really expecting villain to show up with a boat on the river or with some
    kind of med pp. grouch was right about betting the turn i really think you shouldve taken a stab, then ur forcing villain
    to make a donk spazz shove , i believe that is the play that extracts more chips imo.
    good input from grouch and deck though.
  15. JimmyMac20 JimmyMac20 is offline

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    Jun 4th, 2010 (6/4/2010 7:46pm) in reply to giveakshun

    Yea you can fold this. I see this move a fair bit. trap, trap, then massive all in move hoping it will look like a bluff and he'll get paid off since his slowplay failed.

    Insert "never go broke with one pair" quote here.
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    Jun 4th, 2010 (6/4/2010 10:49pm) in reply to JimmyMac20

    good one jim but in this case it would be never go broke with a fullhouse lol
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