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  1. stealth stealth is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 7:44pm)

    I should have smooth called I guess, but I decided a 3 bet could take the pot down. What do you think?

    pokerstars Game #24636277372: Tournament #138804144, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/02/05 20:40:52 ET
    Table '138804144 18' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 2: jacob126b38 (1290 in chips)
    Seat 3: Brick7047 (10993 in chips)
    Seat 4: monacoll (2533 in chips)
    Seat 5: Uflungdung (5690 in chips)
    Seat 6: xX Stealth (11795 in chips)
    Seat 7: Hawkey59 (3930 in chips)
    Seat 8: Motooooo (3430 in chips)
    Seat 9: JD9420 (4814 in chips)
    Uflungdung: posts small blind 100
    xX Stealth: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to xX Stealth [Ah Qs]
    Hawkey59: folds
    Motooooo: folds
    JD9420: folds
    jacob126b38: folds
    Brick7047: raises 400 to 600
    monacoll: folds
    Uflungdung: calls 500
    xX Stealth: raises 1600 to 2200
    Brick7047: raises 2800 to 5000
    Uflungdung: folds
    xX Stealth: folds
    Uncalled bet (2800) returned to Brick7047
    Brick7047 collected 5000 from pot
    Brick7047: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5000 | Rake 0
    Seat 2: jacob126b38 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Brick7047 collected (5000)
    Seat 4: monacoll (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Uflungdung (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: xX Stealth (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: Hawkey59 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Motooooo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: JD9420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. odstore odstore is offline

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    Feb 5th, 2009 (2/5/2009 8:34pm) in reply to stealth

    With out any reads I think it's a pretty standard squeeze spot but I'd probably raise more since you're oop and trying to fold out 2 players.
  3. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2009 (2/6/2009 12:13am) in reply to stealth

    Please start providing some read of ur tbl. It really helps when analysing a situation.

    I'm not three betting if I intend on folding. Raise it up like 3k and call all shoves. If you plan on folding to a 4bet, don't three bet.

    It also depends on ur reads. If the dude opening the pot is lag and the guy calling is a station, obv 3bet. If they've been super nitty then i prolly just call since its cheap to do so from the bb.

    I think the standard play is to raise since this is a c/o raise and a call from the sb.

    But the big mistake comes when you fold. His range could be like AJ+, KQs, 99+, or worse in a 440.
  4. Chickenbrad Chickenbrad is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2009 (2/6/2009 3:50am) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    Both calling and 3bet folding is probably bad. If you call you run the risk of hitting the flop and then him showing you KK or AK for all your chips. If you decide to 3 bet you should probably commit yourself, there's a chance you're dominated, but that's the risk you take when you 3bet. If he comes back at you then you have to race it, end of story. If both those scenarios scare you, then be a tight-ass and fold the AQ. It is the biggest trap hand in holdem.
  5. JON STAMOZ JON STAMOZ is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2009 (2/6/2009 8:49am) in reply to stealth

    I like the 3bet because AQ doesn't play too well in a multi way pot. If you let a blind sneak in cheap or let the caller come along getting odds and one of them flops a weird two pair or a set what are you going to do when you flop a Q and its top pair? You'd be in a really hard spot if you get re-raised post flop. If Brick is nitty you most deff shouldn't of raised and actually just folding wouldn't be horrible. If he's pretty lag i like the 3 bet. I think folding when he re-pops is fine..it's a little spewish but when an early pos raiser comes back over top of your 3bet chances are AQ is no bien.
  6. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2009 (2/6/2009 10:09am) in reply to Chickenbrad

     
    Originally Posted by Chickenbrad View Post

    Both calling and 3bet folding is probably bad. If you call you run the risk of hitting the flop and then him showing you KK or AK for all your chips. If you decide to 3 bet you should probably commit yourself, there's a chance you're dominated, but that's the risk you take when you 3bet. If he comes back at you then you have to race it, end of story. If both those scenarios scare you, then be a tight-ass and fold the AQ. It is the biggest trap hand in holdem.

    I find myself agreeing with you a lot CB.

    The question to three bet or not, I think is largely dependant on reads. Is this someone who knows to take advantage of LP? If so, clearly its a 3bet, as we shouldn't be concerned about the sb. And considering now that most ppl know to raise a huge range (esp considering stacks sizes), I'm three betting unless I have a read that specifically tells me not to.

    I just disagree about one thing you said. I think calling is marginally better than folding for a couple reasons. ONe, ppl will often stack off with Ax when an A flops. I agree its tricky to handle this sitaution, so pot control is important. You def wanna keep it small, and don't lead out on it. Peel a flop and see what happens on the turn. If it comes Qxx and someone has AA, KK or a set its kind of a cooler.

    Two, I'm also calling just for the chance to hit a big hand-top two, top pair and a draw. Flatting is less than 4% of ur stack and ur like over50bbs effective, so you do have a big opportunity to stack him when you hit a big hand-and a chance to win a smaller pot if an A or Q flops.

    But again, I just have a real hard time not three betting this. I prolly gamboool more than I should. And at this level there's alot to be said about allowing ur opponents to make a mistake, as one of those players folds a small to mid sized pair often enough, or decides that ur fucking with him and thinks his ATs is good.
  7. Chickenbrad Chickenbrad is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2009 (2/6/2009 4:00pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

     
    Originally Posted by TheVillageGrinder View Post

    I find myself agreeing with you a lot CB.

    Now all I need to do is play like I tell everyone else to and maybe I could win a tourney or 2. hehe.
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