Full Tilt Poker Game #9119008313: $21,000 Guarantee (69596521), Table 24 - 15000/30000 Ante 4000 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:36:53 ET - 2008/11/22
Seat 2: 8upacman (364,799)
Seat 3: Glo4ming (400,696)
Seat 4: lei_kung (336,579)
Seat 5: DIRK_Yes (1,944,036)
Seat 6: darbysuckling (522,012)
Seat 9: BoostFox (133,878)
8upacman antes 4,000
Glo4ming antes 4,000
lei_kung antes 4,000
DIRK_Yes antes 4,000
darbysuckling antes 4,000
BoostFox antes 4,000
BoostFox posts the small blind of 15,000
8upacman posts the big blind of 30,000
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to darbysuckling [Qd Ah]
FreeQQ (Observer): come on lets do our thing
Glo4ming has 15 seconds left to act
Glo4ming folds
lei_kung folds
DIRK_Yes raises to 1,940,036, and is all in
darbysuckling has 15 seconds left to act
darbysuckling has requested TIME
darbysuckling ??????????????????

Guy really hadn't been using his stack to abuse the table much except for the previous hand, where he'd three-bet shoved 8upac and gotten a fold.

Anyone just walking away here? Obviously it's a chance at a big stack but this is his first open shove. Any thoughts welcome.

With 3bb left? Please never fold.

 

Originally Posted by Mojo

With 3bb left? Please never fold.

um 3bb?? 500,000 /30,000 = 17BB
basic math

 

Originally Posted by yay415area

insta call.

there was actually a post on this a couple days ago... same exact situation... but hero had KJ didnt know what to do

the great majority of the time you are facing a weak ace

ide instacall w/ ak aa kk. really depends on how hes been playing to this point but i wouldnt risk my tournament life here. make the short stacks do the gambling here

 

Originally Posted by funnygut

no one cares that im risking 2nd place stack, cant get above 2nd in chips if i win, would bust before guy with 3 bbs...

I'm with you... $$$ difference between 6-7th versus 2-3rd is huge....You will find many more oppertunitys to stack up. lot of chip swings at the FT.

 

Originally Posted by ripomatic

 

Originally Posted by funnygut

no one cares that im risking 2nd place stack, cant get above 2nd in chips if i win, would bust before guy with 3 bbs...

I'm with you... $$$ difference between 6-7th versus 2-3rd is huge....You will find many more oppertunitys to stack up. lot of chip swings at the FT.

No.

Urm, very very easy fold? I dont know what fairy tail range u intend to give him to justify calling here. You are 2nd in chips risking going broke against the one player who covers you. With still 4 smaller stacks in play. And all that against a bigstack who hasnt been a bully sofar, I would gues his range is AK AQ heavy, but even if it isnt, you need to give him some really ridiculous range to justify the call. If you fold your equity is $3320. If you call and win your equity is $4206. And if you lose, you are busted 6th place and get $1332.

So in order to justify a call you need ( $3320 - $1332 ) / ( $4206 - $1332 ) = 69% equity against his range. Hell you cant call even his you knew he would do that with ATC. Not to mention there are 2 players behind you who will get involved with KK+ always. You should only call his shove with AA, maybe QQ, KK.

lol @ calling

 

Originally Posted by typohh

Urm, very very easy fold? I dont know what fairy tail range u intend to give him to justify calling here. You are 2nd in chips risking going broke against the one player who covers you. With still 4 smaller stacks in play. And all that against a bigstack who hasnt been a bully sofar, I would gues his range is AK AQ heavy, but even if it isnt, you need to give him some really ridiculous range to justify the call. If you fold your equity is $3320. If you call and win your equity is $4206. And if you lose, you are busted 6th place and get $1332.

So in order to justify a call you need ( $3320 - $1332 ) / ( $4206 - $1332 ) = 69% equity against his range. Hell you cant call even his you knew he would do that with ATC. Not to mention there are 2 players behind you who will get involved with KK+ always. You should only call his shove with AA, maybe QQ, KK.

lol @ calling

haaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha

i get it in here everytime but i see 2nd place as a disappointment. if u wanna move up in $$$$ or just pick a better spot it's always an option to fold and try and abuse those stacks smaller then you since u said this guy isnt using his stack.

 

Originally Posted by funnygut

your definitely right that my 2nd is not a huge advantage, and also that in principle this fold allows him to run over table

again, we'd been playing a while and he hadn't done this yet tho he'd had the big stack the whole time
in principle, agreed, it's a call, but how forgivable is a fold?

I guess if the top 3 payouts constitute a reasonable large portion of your bankroll, it might skew your decision to fold incorrectly imo.

This isn't a "turbo" sng situation where you have to fold so you can guarentee yourself 2nd/3rd because of the shorter stacks behind you.

You should also think what better possible situations can arise if you fold.

Assuming you did fold, the final table would just run out in a situation where you can't profitably steal blinds or accumulate chips properly against the shorter stacks ranges. So lets say it folds around to you in the CO or button. You raise and get shoved on. You will probably have to fold most of your range (causing you to lose valuable chips, fe, and such). Another situation is when the big stack raises and you can't really 3bet/defend light because he could just apply too much pressure on you to continue profitably on most boards.

Basically, because you are 2nd in chips, you are actually put into a tougher situation because everyone at the table knows that you can't call off most of your chips without a made hand because you have the most to lose.

Dont know why I wrote such a long response, hope it helps ~_~

i do the opposite of whatever you did...

 

Originally Posted by funnygut

no one cares that im risking 2nd place stack, cant get above 2nd in chips if i win, would bust before guy with 3 bbs...

even if u are ahead, i wouldn't risk my tournament life on a hero call being 2nd in chips..

well thats me.

Muck it. Would explain my reasons, but im taking a shower ATM. Maybe tomorrow