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Anyone ever hear of this live rule?

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  1. ABorges ABorges is offline

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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 3:54pm)

    I've only played in a few live MTTs, so maybe everyone but me has heard of it. Just to be sure.

    Anyway, blinds are 150/300 with a 25 ante. I have around 10K to start the hand. Loose passive player limps in from early position, I look down at ATo from mid position and decide to isolate. I throw in a single 1k chip with the intent to raise, but I don't actually announce it verbally. I'm immediately told by 2 or 3 players that when you throw in exactly ONE chip and don't say "raise" out loud it's considered a call and the dealer says so too. At this point I'm thinking "wtf live poker" since if I wanted to call I'd just throw in three of my twenty 100 chips. Seems pretty silly if you ask me... especially because I lost half my stack because of it. I asked the tourney director later and he told me the same thing the people at my table did.

    So is this a standard rule everywhere or is everyone as dumbfounded as I was?
  2. Iplaythabored Iplaythabored is offline ghost writer

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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 3:55pm) in reply to ABorges

    std
     
  3. ShortStacked1 ShortStacked1 is offline

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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 3:56pm) in reply to ABorges

    Standard rule as far as im aware
  4. Pyradox Pyradox is offline

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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 3:57pm) in reply to ABorges

    standard

    If you're only putting in one chip you always announce your intention.
  5. ntanygd760 ntanygd760 is offline

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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 3:57pm) in reply to ShortStacked1

    super standard, also most tourneys even mention this b4 they start
     
  6. armymedik1 armymedik1 is offline

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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 4:04pm) in reply to ABorges

    Super standard for both live mtt's and cash.
  7. ABorges ABorges is offline

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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 4:07pm) in reply to ABorges

    huh, I guess I was the only one left out... obv live poker n00b, let's see what I screw up next time! The super juicy field more than makes up for making a fool of myself though. Thanks guys!
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  8. Be_Right Be_Right is offline

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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 4:21pm) in reply to ABorges

    Actually no one is as dumbfounded except you...super standard...live and learn
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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 4:28pm) in reply to ABorges

    If you don't verbally announce your bet size no one has any idea if you are raising or calling which just opens the door to angle shooting. The rule is in place just to prevent people from angleshooting and to make the game more clear and easier to follow
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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 4:29pm) in reply to ABorges

    definitely standard, shouldn't have let it tilt you into losing half your stack.
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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 4:51pm) in reply to threeven

     
    Originally Posted by threeven View Post

    If you don't verbally announce your bet size no one has any idea if you are raising or calling which just opens the door to angle shooting. The rule is in place just to prevent people from angleshooting and to make the game more clear and easier to follow

    Yeah I realize that, I just thought it was the other way around, like it would only count as a call if I announced "call" instead of the other way around with raising. Also I didn't tilt off because of it, I turned 2 pair and the limper turned a straight. Maybe I would have played it better if I took a like that broke me on that hand, I'm not sure, but no bad beat story intended ITT.
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  12. threeven threeven is offline

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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 4:58pm) in reply to ABorges

     
    Originally Posted by ABorges View Post

    Yeah I realize that, I just thought it was the other way around, like it would only count as a call if I announced "call" instead of the other way around with raising.

    They do it that way because often short stacks won't have the small denomination chips to call without using an oversized chip, so its actually much more common live for someone to call with an oversized chip than to raise with one just because of the way chips and denominations work.

    Good work not letting a small mistake like that get to you. Live and learn and move on. If you aren't familiar with the rules where you are playing though I would recommend taking a look at the rules and spend some time going over them. Live poker has some pretty weird looking rules to the online player but they are there for a reason and knowing them could save you a pot in the future so its worth it to know them all.
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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 5:14pm) in reply to threeven

     
    Originally Posted by threeven View Post


    They do it that way because often short stacks won't have the small denomination chips to call without using an oversized chip, so its actually much more common live for someone to call with an oversized chip than to raise with one just because of the way chips and denominations work.

    Good work not letting a small mistake like that get to you. Live and learn and move on. If you aren't familiar with the rules where you are playing though I would recommend taking a look at the rules and spend some time going over them. Live poker has some pretty weird looking rules to the online player but they are there for a reason and knowing them could save you a pot in the future so its worth it to know them all.

    From my small live experience I actually find live poker less tilt inducing than online for some reason. Except for that part when 3 guys around me start talking seriously about how the player with less chips always wins online no matter what. But yeah I'll look around live rules and such sooner or later. Also should learn how to count and stack my chips in a better way. Not seeing numbers annoys the hell outta me.
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  14. iatetheredcrayon iatetheredcrayon is offline

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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 6:25pm) in reply to ABorges

    ouch. sounds like a hard lesson learned.
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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 7:18pm) in reply to iatetheredcrayon

    I did this the first time I was at a casino too.
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    Oct 4th, 2009 (10/4/2009 7:56pm) in reply to Iplaythabored

    noob
     
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