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My sorry ass plays like scared money on 3 dollar sngs on bubbles..... I can't imagine me not folding there too.
Edited By: Sandman_Good Nov 5th, 2010 at 12:20 AM
But of course I was yelling..CAAAAALLLLLL. I like Senti..glgl.
And if you thought it was weak..don't ask him why he folded it on the 9th..he will be busy. -
If he had made the call though, he'd have a lot more chips most likely (assuming he held) and have a much better shot at winning it, not taking 9th.
Originally Posted by Sandman_Good
My sorry ass plays like scared money on 3 dollar sngs on bubbles..... I can't imagine me not folding there too.
But of course I was yelling..CAAAAALLLLLL. I like Senti..glgl.
And if you thought it was weak..don't ask him why he folded it on the 9th..he will be busy.
I think it was kinda weak too but, I guess under the immense pressure of making it to the FT, he just watned to be 100% sure he got it in with the absolute nuts. -
I am by no means agreeing with the play or not. I am just saying if I was in the spot., based on how Ive played scared on bubbles. (getting better tho thanks to some help from some ranked players.) Im prolly folding their too. K on the river obv.
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standard fold if your goal is 2 limp into the final 9
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i think its the polar opposite of matts hand. Matt knew where he was in the hand, and was not afraid to get it in, knowing that he is playing for first.
I feel like in any other tournament this guy is not folding qq, but he did here because 1. hes scared on the money bubble or 2 he never defined his hand, has no idea where he is at, talked himself into thinking he was beat and didnt want to risk busting 10th. In either case I def thought it was weak. With that said, I do not know the history at the table that the players may have had, and as much as we would like to say we get it in there I have never been in such a pressure situation and dont know how i would respond. -
he was scared from start to finish in this hand (as i probably would be on FT bubble of the ME)
If he 3bets pre he doesn't get into such an ugly spot, he can make a hero laydown to a 4bet shove if he rly wants to nit it up tht much.
But as he played it, it did look like he's not beating enough of his range to make the cal (as deoxy said)l, coz if ur wrong u hate urself for ever. -
I don't mind the way he played it including the fold. On that FT bubble that perticular player is so unlikely to be bluffing (and when he is he always has diamond outs). Its weak...yes...but tournament poker is about playing the situation. Making the november nine has so much equity its disgusting. Only non-bluff hes beating is AJ and I even find that to be unlikely.
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Edited By: chancew Nov 5th, 2010 at 02:08 AMDisagree.Originally Posted by pokerbrat13
I don't mind the way he played it including the fold. On that FT bubble that perticular player is so unlikely to be bluffing (and when he is he always has diamond outs). Its weak...yes...but tournament poker is about playing the situation. Making the november nine has so much equity its disgusting. Only non-bluff hes beating is AJ and I even find that to be unlikely.
He was by far the worst player and had done a lot of stupid shit. Senti was even at his table when Soi was handing the grinder chips. Not the worst fold but not very good either. If he finishes bottom 3 he'll be kickin himself about this hand for awhile.
If you wanna get owned by the worst player left go ahead. A J was definitely in his range. Remember the KJ hand for billions of chips? -
The fold is fine, you don't wanna be drawing to a 2 outer if your wrong.
I didn't really see anything on the telecast but I wonder if you could pick up any tells off Nguyen. He's said he didn't even know what UTG was before the tourny started, surely he was at least a little uncomfortable moving in there no?
Either way it worked so wp. -
While that guy was a bad player.. even bad players sitting on the main event FT bubble are gonna tighten up to a ridculous degree. I really don't see this guy bet-betting complete air on this board ever. Either than diamonds this is just never ever a bluff. and if it is diamonds most of the time he'll have a king or an ace for an overcard as well. So even if he IS bluffing, ur looking to dodge a 12 outer going into the river while u got a couple guys sitting on 10-20bbs. This all assuming he doesn't have 2 aces or 2 kings which I'd predict he'd bet in the exact same way. It's never a set of jacks is the only thing we can be certain of. This FT changes this guy's life and thinking he'll just implode with 2 random cards seems ridculously improbable to me. Is he stupid enough to overplay ace-jack here..i guess he is..but still on that ft bubble i still would be hard pressed to believe it. The mistakes this guy was making previous was also calling too much and opening too much. I don't think he once barrelled anyone off anything but I could be wrong. To think he'd randomly do it at this stage is just nuts imo.
Originally Posted by chancew
Disagree.
He was by far the worst player and had done a lot of stupid shit. Senti was even at his table when Soi was handing the grinder chips. Not the worst fold but not very good either. If he finishes bottom 3 he'll be kickin himself about this hand for awhile.
Writing this makes me feel like everyone is gonna bluff me now. guess I'm open folding QQ when I make the main event final table bubble. -
If all I knew about Nyugen was that he only pays poker a few times a year and is not some super rich dude, I would assume Nyugen would only be shoving there with an overpair or maybe a slight chance at the nut flush draw or AJ, but after seeing the KJ hand and others I can't imagine folding QQ in this spot. He is not just some nit who happened to get hit by the deck, he is a smart guy who is very inexperienced at poker who is playing reckless and is having it work out for him in the most part. With that said I also can't imagine playing on a final table bubble that is like $400K+ including endorsements, so who knows what I would do if I was put in that situation.
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Regardless its a tough spot. I will say that from what I watched(doesn't mean much in the amount of hands actually played) Soi was a spazz. FT bubble or not, he had no fckin idea what he was doing. Sometimes you get put in hard spots, and gotta dig deep.
Originally Posted by pokerbrat13
While that guy was a bad player.. even bad players sitting on the main event FT bubble are gonna tighten up to a ridculous degree. I really don't see this guy bet-betting complete air on this board ever. Either than diamonds this is just never ever a bluff. and if it is diamonds most of the time he'll have a king or an ace for an overcard as well. So even if he IS bluffing, ur looking to dodge a 12 outer going into the river while u got a couple guys sitting on 10-20bbs. This all assuming he doesn't have 2 aces or 2 kings which I'd predict he'd bet in the exact same way. It's never a set of jacks is the only thing we can be certain of. This FT changes this guy's life and thinking he'll just implode with 2 random cards seems ridculously improbable to me. Is he stupid enough to overplay ace-jack here..i guess he is..but still on that ft bubble i still would be hard pressed to believe it. The mistakes this guy was making previous was also calling too much and opening too much. I don't think he once barrelled anyone off anything but I could be wrong. To think he'd randomly do it at this stage is just nuts imo.
Writing this makes me feel like everyone is gonna bluff me now. guess I'm open folding QQ when I make the main event final table bubble. -
My point is that I thought he should be playing the way he does normally irrespective of the bubble. At the same time I do understand that Nguyen's range is also tighter near the bubble but he had been raising a ton.
How long did this go for. Seems like they were playing forever so I can't really comment. Nguyen could have folded every hand for 3 hours and we just didn't see it on tv. -
Originally Posted by chancew
Disagree.
He was by far the worst player and had done a lot of stupid shit. Senti was even at his table when Soi was handing the grinder chips. Not the worst fold but not very good either. If he finishes bottom 3 he'll be kickin himself about this hand for awhile.
If you wanna get owned by the worst player left go ahead. A J was definitely in his range. Remember the KJ hand for billions of chips?
lol CHANCEWWW.... just look at what you told me wednesday ...
Originally Posted by chancew
...If you don't have something good to say, especially about someone's business/work, you should PM the person interested. Not make your thoughts public. ...
IMFAOOO
and Jason Senti is a poker pro/coach on Bluefire poker, the home of Phil Galfond. just sayin'.
i told good things about you in the coaching thread, but i feell kinda delusional now. you are just the same breed of bad kid as i am. but i never tried to look like Gandhi like you did 2 times after my posts. ima da realest of us son. (sounds like Mobb Deep punchlines eh?) -
Soi and Senti are 2 diff people son. What did I say bad about JS? Reading comprehension?
You ain't a crook son, you just a shook one -
It's a good fold imo. Senti is way the better player, so why hero? He can definitly put himself in a better spot where he can get all of Soi's chips with less risk. It's basically a $176,812 call, that he's unsure of.
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Super standard WSOP ME Final Table bubble fold.
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I didn't watch the hand or the last two episodes of the WSOP yet, so I don't even know what the other guys hand was. But I heard Senti's analysis on pokerstatic. The thing that confuses is me is why everyone was flaming (including me) the people saying Affleck played his AA wrong (they said he should have "protected them") yet most of the posts here are saying it's a fold with QQ here vs a spazz. You either play for the max value or you don't.
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over 200K for the jump to 9th....vs....a complete newb/spazz easily could have the 6 or AA KK ....i thought it was a blind spot that was played correctly. ICM?
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Little irony in that QQ>AK hand. Sick river paint card.
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