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  1. I thought negreanu played AQ well vs chans AA, didn't like his 3bet sizing pre but played other streets well. Other than that I've seen alot of plays that are big flaws imo. Negreanu flattin raises with QJ etc with <20 bb, hachem setmining oop with 55 with slim implied odds vs negreanus short stack, greenstein pushing that middle pair on dry flop after getting raised and huck was obv committed to a call etc. I laugh to myself when I think of some donks makin plays like these cause they see the "pros" do it on tv. This episode really helps to confirm that alot of the best online younger players are far more knowledgeable and skilled than these guys that are poker idols cause they happened to ship something at wsop during the big poker boom imo
  2. they all suck and would be broke if they wasnt popular 5 years ago.
  3. Bingo. I think a few like lederer and greenstein actually work on their game theory alot and keep up with how the game changes but most of the others still play like it's 10 years ago
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  4. doubt they keep up on ne thing they dont need to everyfish thinks there god and they $$$$ from it, there chillin
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    Originally Posted by kasey_gcp View Post

    Bingo. I think a few like lederer and greenstein actually work on their game theory alot and keep up with how the game changes but most of the others still play like it's 10 years ago

    Lederer = biggest nit ever (in the history of poker)
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    Originally Posted by Gettin Daize View Post

    they all suck and would be broke if they wasnt popular 5 years ago.

    u might be one of the best at online poker, but to say they all suck is just terrible.

    negreanu, john huand, phil ivey, jen harman, barry greenstein, elky, greg raymer, sam farha, just to say a few that keep their game sharp. (and im just talking about mtt, since cash they would probably crush every top 100 online mtters)

    not even to mention the best of them all, who would crush any of you online superstars, PHIL IVEY....

    i dont get why a lot of online pros like to talk bs about the live pros.

    i know a lot of them have fallen appart and lost their edge over the field, but u have to admit a lot keeps their game sharp and beat the game at the highest levels.
     
  7. i think a great many are just happy keeping the status quo, not really looking to improve their game, but instead trying to bank on their marketablility.
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    Originally Posted by ricardogcl View Post

    u might be one of the best at online poker, but to say they all suck is just terrible.

    negreanu, john huand, phil ivey, jen harman, barry greenstein, elky, greg raymer, sam farha, just to say a few that keep their game sharp. (and im just talking about mtt, since cash they would probably crush every top 100 online mtters)

    not even to mention the best of them all, who would crush any of you online superstars, PHIL IVEY....

    i dont get why a lot of online pros like to talk bs about the live pros.

    i know a lot of them have fallen appart and lost their edge over the field, but u have to admit a lot keeps their game sharp and beat the game at the highest levels.

    Besides ivey and elky for obvious reasons, the other people you stated obviously keep up on their bird game, which is why they do so good live................. JK they play horrid and haven't won anything in years. Negreanu could be good if he would get over himself tryin to make a huge laydown everytime he plays a pot like a jackass.

    that is all.
     
  9. Finally a thread that speaks the truth about how crappy these live pros are...fuckin horrible, all of them. except for ivey and antonius
  10. doyle tho
  11. Most of them dont prob play nl holdem that much, and they might be world class in other games
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  12. Elky is a live pro?
     
  13. How much better would it be if they showed the $25k 6-max instead of the 2004 Invitational?
  14. They make more money marketing poker than any of the top online MTTers so I dont think they really care all that much. That being said though, it makes Ivey all that more impressive that he is able to keep up with todays game.
  15. Calling this an All-star game really made me LOL. It was more of the Old timers softball game. Just throw in Tom Selleck and Ozzie Smith and it's the same thing.
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    Originally Posted by Gettin Daize View Post

    they all suck and would be broke if they wasnt popular 5 years ago.

    Wow. You're my hero.
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    Originally Posted by peldini View Post

    i think a great many are just happy keeping the status quo, not really looking to improve their game, but instead trying to bank on their marketablility.

    Doubt they consciously strategize this. Marketability would increase the most with increased success.
    Edited By: garyak1 Aug 4th, 2010 at 08:01 PM
  18. Juanda is a sicko.
     
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    Originally Posted by zander View Post

    How much better would it be if they showed the $25k 6-max instead of the 2004 Invitational?

    "bel0wabove raises utg, djk 3 bets utg +1 Elky 4 bets from the button Bel0w 5 bet shoves, everyone folds and Bel0w shows 64o
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    Originally Posted by ricardogcl View Post

    u might be one of the best at online poker, but to say they all suck is just terrible.

    negreanu, john huand, phil ivey, jen harman, barry greenstein, elky, greg raymer, sam farha, just to say a few that keep their game sharp. (and im just talking about mtt, since cash they would probably crush every top 100 online mtters)

    not even to mention the best of them all, who would crush any of you online superstars, PHIL IVEY....

    i dont get why a lot of online pros like to talk bs about the live pros.

    i know a lot of them have fallen appart and lost their edge over the field, but u have to admit a lot keeps their game sharp and beat the game at the highest levels.

    They do suck. (Obv not Ivey, but most of them do.) I mean a lot of the players that are featured in tourneys like TOC and PAD aren't top 1000 players in the world in terms of skill level. The WSOP doesn't broadcast a ton of tourneys, but when they do show tables it is usually celebrities who either won a tourney 4 years ago or have big boobs. If we were watching the Super Bowl and saw the 1000th best quarterback in the world starting for one of the teams, wouldn't you say he sucked, even though he is better at football than me and you?
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    Originally Posted by anjim19 View Post

    Lederer = biggest nit ever (in the history of poker)

    biggest - everytime on TV he is the tightest at table.
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    Originally Posted by wareagle2525 View Post

    Calling this an All-star game really made me LOL. It was more of the Old timers softball game. Just throw in Tom Selleck and Ozzie Smith and it's the same thing.


    It was voted on
     
  23. all you haters in the thread let me know the next time you are on tv playing cards.......dont hate the players hate the game
  24. "hey what's up with that kidpoker, he's 35. shouldn't he be mid life crisis poker by now?"
  25. the line up is so bad ass that I havent even watched it yet. Or even set up my tivo to record it.
  26. About half of the players in that tournament do suck. Bracelets won before 2003 just don't have value. Doyle won 2 main event titles with combined field of 32 players between both events. Johnny moss and 5 friends play poker for a few days and all votes for 2nd best player and he's a world champion? The TOC is a good idea in theory, but you aren't going to get the best players in the world and especially since the tourney is a freeroll for them they aren't going to play their 'A' game. It's a shame that hellmuth, chan and doyle have as many bracelets as they do. Yeah, Ivey is going to pass them because he's the G.O.A.T.
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    Originally Posted by tank0288 View Post

    Yeah, Ivey is going to pass them because he's the G.O.A.T.

    the key is to win non holdem events where ur playing basically a 90 or 180 man sng instead of some 2000+ person mtt. and have a decided skill advantage.
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    Originally Posted by gillabong View Post

    "hey what's up with that kidpoker, he's 35. shouldn't he be mid life crisis poker by now?"

    Not hatin on the dude, but wtf is up with Negreneau's play on High Stakes poker? Is he like one of the top three biggest losers of all time in that game or does it only seem like it because most episodes I watch he's steadily donating?
  29. im with some of these sayin most of these players are way overrated....not all of them...and i think huck seed is legit
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    Originally Posted by bobhica_10 View Post

    all you haters in the thread let me know the next time you are on tv playing cards.......dont hate the players hate the game

    umm last night was only the 1st episode, i promise you'll be seeing some of these online "haters" in future episodes, and playing much better than that crap that aired last night
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