Just wanna make sure that I"m not missing something. No reads as I was playing a bunch of tbls. REad the problem and come up with your own assesment of what the villans range is.

pokerstars Game #24543490106: Tournament #137714660, $9.00+$0.90 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/02/02 21:55:51 ET

Table '137714660 37' 9-max Seat #9 is the button

Seat 1: fortytwo923 (1830 in chips)

Seat 2: BigALilA (2590 in chips)

Seat 3: margarita15 (1625 in chips)

Seat 4: Str8outtaEP (3270 in chips)

Seat 5: 0li$hit (1490 in chips)

Seat 6: tripledare (1320 in chips)

Seat 7: Liefie666 (1725 in chips)

Seat 8: Joshole (1940 in chips)

Seat 9: Eman76 (1795 in chips)

fortytwo923: posts small blind 25

BigALilA: posts big blind 50

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Str8outtaEP [Ah Qd]

margarita15: calls 50

Str8outtaEP: raises 175 to 225

0li$hit: folds

tripledare: folds

Liefie666: calls 225

Joshole: folds

Eman76: raises 1570 to 1795 and is all-in

fortytwo923: folds

BigALilA: folds

margarita15 has timed out

margarita15: folds

margarita15 is sitting out

<SPAN>Str8outtaEP:

The reason I'm having some trouble with this is that I"m not super convinced that he's shoving the very top of his range here (ie AA, KK). But even still, its likely he woudl shove AK and probably QQ, and definitely JJ and I can't rule out a monster completely. I guess I'm fine with seeing JJ here because I'm being well compensated to flip.

So let's just say a realistic assement of his range would be TT+, AQ+. I mean I guess I'm open to being convinced that he's lighter at times, but I don't think we need to pay such a high price to find out.

Seems really meh to call of that many bbs, esp if my range is realistic. Thoughts please...</SPAN>

thanks. Just to keep the conversation on track, I'd be calling off ~32bbs.

 

Originally Posted by cassettecounty

I'd raise smaller, no more than 150. AQ is sweet but doesn't play great out of position. Then I'd fold to dude's obnoxiously huge reraise. Someone doesn't want to see a flop with JJ.

Meh, i don't like a smaller raise at all. I'm trying to iso and a raise to 150 just invites other callers and then all I've done is built a huge pot out of position. So I'm happy with my raise size as I'd really just like to iso on the limper and/or do my best to keep this a heads up pot.

I play it the exact same including the preflop raise. My standard would be 3x+1 for the limper but in such early position callers tend to pile up and suddenly you're playing AQ 4 ways or something. Raising more is excessive, raising less means half the table is seeing the flop and you probably shouldn't be calling the shove unless villain is spewy.

 

Originally Posted by El_Cho

AQ is a very good hand to raise with and your raise size was good. But it's an awfull hand to call with. Easy fold IMO.

I also like your raise that you made, I think it helps to define your hand. Really, this being under a $10 game, I wouldn't be shocked with any pocket pairs here, A10+ and even KQ type hand may be there. In other words, on pure pot odds, I think your getting the price to call against an unknown's range.

That being said, given your money in the pot now, your chip stack, and your position winning/losing, why would you want to take this chance here? If he does have a huge hand, your in a ton of trouble, and losing this hand puts you right back in the middle of your table.

I think this is one of those times where I think your ahead, but I think logic dictates you fold here. Now, if I'm in a similar spot later with the same hand, and he does this to me again, then I'd take him on on principal. Sometimes in these lower limit games, once you make a raise/fold, people make notes and will reraise you everytime, you have to show your willing to call eventually.

But, in this spot, no need to do this, fold and go on.

Folding to non-loose opponents, but at these limits, you might be giving up a bit of value by doing it. Unless he's a nit, his range is definitely looser than you assign, it's just bad pot odds and strategy-wise.

If the situation were altered stack wise in either direction, I would make this call (like if you only had an average stack for the table or 4500 or opponent were even a few hundred shorter).

I see this play all the time, it seems to be AK 95% of the time.

Horrible plays, all you can do is fold here.

i think its AQ+

I think i ve been in this spot so many times, even with position, and Im dominated 75% and 20% racing.... i simply refuse to call of stack with AQs or AJs(not that much of a difference) and your not even suited, easy fol