call and beat KJ,KT and perhaps other random K's, as well as busted flush draws...lose to KQ and 66 a small % of the time

ez game

you'd think 66 raises the turn no?

I will add what I said previously to you to the discussion. I think this is a fold.

There's only two Kings in his range, possibly maybe even only one that we beat. That is KJ. I don't really think KTs is calling preflop OOP but that is player dependent.

The rest of his range is KQ, 66, 55, QQ. There is absolutely zero chance any King takes this line unless it is KQ. A bluff would never take this line either. I think it is a really tough fold in an online tournament but with 40bbs behind still in this kind of tournament (good structure tournament) I would tank down, cry a little, and fold.

 

Originally Posted by TC_Clueless

I remember this table .. were we past the bubble at this point?

I'm not folding here, not for all the tea in china.

but.....your not at this table.........or were you?

 

Originally Posted by Sdanby

 

Originally Posted by TC_Clueless

I remember this table .. were we past the bubble at this point?

I'm not folding here, not for all the tea in china.

but.....your not at this table.........or were you?

no. I was CL at this point in the tournament, and I had 3 or 4 tables of the next biggest stacks up to watch. PrinceTendee and JGag were both up there..

I think it honestly can only be 66/QQ, I feel like in a 3 way pot KQ/KJ is always raising that flop. The c/c on flop&turn definitely look like the flopped boat and I can also see QQ doing this to avoid inflating the pot with what he thinks to be the best hand; and I think both of these hands are spazzing the river. I really don't think that KQ or KJ ever traps with this flop texture, and far as folding or calling goes I cannot tell you what would be the best decision lol.

any thoughts???

Any one else please?

I actually think its close either way. I don't think a worse K is actually that large a part of his range since most players would not wait til the river to come alive especially with a flush draw on the board -especially since he's overbetting. Its definetly possible but I'd imagine he has KQ here or a busted flush draw almost always. In the moment I can't see myself folding though, there is always the random spazz out factor + busted flush draws. You've repped a king pretty well though so it seems like he is trying to get value rather than push you off your hand. I'm guessing you called and lost to KQ or QQ here. Unlucky.

lol p5

I would be sooooooooooooo happy about calling river here and expect to be beat about 5% of the time

i think qq flats this OOP like zero times. i mean maybe but i doubt it. he could have aa. i think 66 would raise the turn as well but really were only behind kq and 66. gotta call. randoms think theyre slow playing like k9s in this spot and then the shove this river for value

 

Originally Posted by jordankickz

lol p5

I would be sooooooooooooo happy about calling river here and expect to be beat about 5% of the time

You're obviously a good player. What makes the decision so cut and dry without any reads on the player?
I don't believe that most would flat pre with QQ in the small blind, so probably take that out of his range. But OP is repping strength, so is villian really going to make a maniac bluff on a paired board with a busted flush draw, or a pair of Q's? Obviously we don't know.

I'm not saying a call is bad, and in the heat of it would probably have a hard time folding. Just curious as to how some think it's and EASY call (or fold)?
Wouldn't you atleast lean back and say WTF?? when he shoves the river?

 

Originally Posted by ACgaming

If you put QQ in his range then you should put AA and AQ into his range too, both of which you beat of course.

I would call, you should call.

I can't think of a situation where I would fold here... you lose to KQ, QQ and 66 and if it's a random you could factor a frustration bluff from missing a huge draw.

Did I mention call.

wtf

i fold but i like making big folds. theres no reason you couldnt have all sorts of kings in your range and hes not expecting you to fold any of them so it doesnt really make sense for him to take that line and bomb 50k on the riv with a busted flush draw. you dont even beat the only reasonable Kx hand that flats out of the SB on the river anymore

I do noto put him on QQ
why not 3 bet QQ in sb there?
so the most logical 2 hands you lose to there are 66 and KQ
66 to me is the most likely.
BTW, if he was slow playing KQ (which in his his mind he was doing to river...no thought to him you had him outkicked) why suddenly shove the river when he gets the nut FH...doesnt go with the play IMO.
i likely call here....without more info or knowing the guy
but im guessing by tourney results you either folded and dont know, or called and ran into 66.
BTW i disagree with those who said he couldnt have KT here or KJ
but assuming info wasnt revealed, im guessing you folded and dont know, or ran into 66