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asking players at the table to agree to go allin next hand in a rebuy is/is not collusion discussion

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  1. gank gank is offline 'tis always ganktober

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:13pm)

    I know I am going to take some heat on saying this, since it has become the 'norm' for people on the 1st hand in the $100rb, but discussing and agreeing what you are going to do on a future hand with an opponent at your table, in my mind, can only be called collusion. Just because it is made public in the chat box, does not make it right.

    Am I the only one who feels this way?

    I might be wrong about this, but I would like for someone to explain to me why.
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  2. pokerjamers pokerjamers is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:17pm) in reply to gank

    going all in at penny omaha is collusion when the instructions are discussed on p5s and i'm gonna report you for it.
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  3. annodv annodv is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:20pm) in reply to pokerjamers

    looool!! delete thread

    why on earth would u not want blind allins??? if you cant afford it dont play simple
     
  4. drphil jr drphil jr is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:20pm) in reply to gank

    How is it colluson? Unless your stating what your cards are before you push i dont see how its collusion.
     
  5. wywrot wywrot is online now

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:23pm) in reply to drphil jr

    Stay off the weed gank
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  6. DexterCain DexterCain is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:23pm) in reply to drphil jr

    are you guys for real? It's obviously collusion, everyone could go all in blind and that would be fine but once it's talked about it's collusion.. It's just like checking a hand down to eliminate someone. checking it down is fine, UNLESS IT'S DISCUSSED
  7. Cortz Cortz is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:26pm) in reply to gank

    it may not be like a serious form....but according to the rules it is collusion
  8. TJourneyman TJourneyman is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:27pm) in reply to gank

    <SPAN class=me>Courtesy of dictionary.com:

    collusion</SPAN> <SPAN class=pronset> </SPAN> <SPAN class=pg>noun </SPAN> <TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>1.</TD><TD vAlign=top>a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: <SPAN class=ital-inline>Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him. </SPAN></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE class=luna-Ent><TBODY><TR><TD class=dn vAlign=top>2.</TD><TD vAlign=top><SPAN class=labset><SPAN class=ital-inline>Law</SPAN>. </SPAN>a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: <SPAN class=ital-inline>collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce

    </SPAN></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    The question is whether or not the agreement is deemed "secret".

    In my opinion it is not collusion because you inform all the players at your table by typing in the chat box, but I can see how you could argue that one is not informing the entire tourney field of his intentions; therefore it could be seen as collusion.
  9. soccertease soccertease is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:28pm) in reply to gank

    Dave is definitely not here, man.
  10. myzislow myzislow is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:31pm) in reply to gank

    Take another bong rip, gank
  11. cmval cmval is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:31pm) in reply to gank

    Agree totally.
  12. hvd hvd is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:37pm) in reply to gank

    You are not wrong about this.
    A plan is being discussed by 2 or more players to act in concert to obtain an advantage.
    Seems the case here.

    HVD
  13. gank gank is offline 'tis always ganktober

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:38pm) in reply to hvd

    regardless whether I am right or wrong, it is obvious that the answer is not clear. I guess I could see that stating it in public in the chatbox that it could be considered not collusion, atleast according to the previous posters dictionary definition.
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  14. ChuckSty ChuckSty is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:39pm) in reply to hvd

    i think it's a form of collusion. i also think it should absolutely be allowed in rebuy tournaments.
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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:42pm) in reply to gank

    They might just want to gamble.
  16. ace1won ace1won is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:43pm) in reply to ChuckSty

    Is it still collusion when they fold and laugh
  17. annodv annodv is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:45pm) in reply to popes5

    looooooooooooooooooool i cant believe i didnt even look who posted this i just jumped on it!!

    Thats the problem these days its become the norm and i cant believe i found myself dragged down to the level of flaming at the 1st chance!!

    correction i know you can afford it so why do you hate it so much???

    gank pwns pbv
     
  18. phatcat phatcat is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:48pm) in reply to gank

    If i recall correctly, there was a post on here before about an email someone had received from stars after someone had complained of exactly this. If i understood stars reply correctly, they said it is considered collusion if you agree to something such as"let's go allin blind IF it's folded to us in our blinds" or something similar. however, if you simply agree to go allin blind before the hand publicly in the chat box then it is not considered collusion. i may have had too many hits between then and now and be completely off base but thats how i remember it.

    -phatty
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  19. DexterCain DexterCain is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:48pm) in reply to annodv

    I'm gonna go ahead and make a super bold assummption and say it's because gank thinks it is a form of collusion
  20. gank gank is offline 'tis always ganktober

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:50pm) in reply to annodv

    haha its ok, I just wanted to bring it up for discussion, because I am not sure where I stand on the issue. It isnt about wheter it is advantageous for me, it is whether or not it is fair play for all those in the tournament, not just those who benefit from these plays.
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  21. gank gank is offline 'tis always ganktober

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:52pm) in reply to phatcat

    TY PhatCat, that was exactly what I was looking for.
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  22. annodv annodv is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:52pm) in reply to phatcat

    <TABLE cellPadding=2 border=0 celspacing="0"><TBODY><TR><TD>I'm gonna go ahead and make a super bold assummption and say it's because gank thinks it is a form of collusion </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    i should sleep i am waaaay too tired!!
     
  23. SixPackofBud SixPackofBud is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 8:57pm) in reply to gank

    collusion....
  24. marinersheep marinersheep is offline This is stupid.

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 9:06pm) in reply to gank

    It's collusion.
     
  25. B_O_K_E B_O_K_E is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 9:31pm) in reply to annodv

    Does this happen as well in live events? Never playe a rebuy live :( rookie obv.
    Just curious

    Boke
     
  26. MonkeyCowboy MonkeyCowboy is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 10:36pm) in reply to gank

    Collusion no if's and's or But's

    BTW it happens in the 5r also.
  27. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 10:41pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    Im sure if uber-baller friends like Phil Ivey, Daniel Negranue, or Erik lindgren were at the same table in the 1K rebuy at the WSOP they would be going all in blind occasionally
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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 10:42pm) in reply to wywrot

    Dex is exactly right
  29. MookMonster MookMonster is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 10:45pm) in reply to jtown1010

    DIDNT READ ALL THE POSTS..BUT NO COLLUSION

    Collusion is a secret agreement b/c 2 or more players..BY STAYING UR ACTION= NO COLLUSION

    Also, bc u say ur going all in doesnt mean others can/ or cant

    NO COLLUSION, you are not telling ur hand and u are not ganging up on anyone!
  30. truesyalose truesyalose is offline

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    Mar 14th, 2007 (3/14/2007 10:50pm) in reply to annodv

    LOL @ annodv changing his opinion based on who the OP is........ EL OH EL.
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