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Avoiding All-In - Advice Please

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  1. R P L R P L is offline

    Biloxi, MS
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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 7:44pm)

    OK - the setup. This is not a bad beat complaint. The $10 PS NLHE event tonight, 1200ish entries. 3rd stage, blinds 25/20. I'm in SB w/AJo. Folded around to UTG, who has played several Ace Rags so far. We have about the same chip stacks, he has me covered by like 100 bucks. He makes a minimum raise to 100, which is what he has done with Ace rag before. I call 75, KNOWING that he has ace rag again. The BB, passive with the CL, calls too. FLop is A Q x, and I bet the pot - 300. BB folds, and UTG calls. Turn is another x, and I bet 3/4 pot - 700ish. UTG raised to 1500ish. I think about it, and I'm still sure that he has Ax, so I reraise my last 400 or so for all in and he calls. Sure Enough, he has A7o, and is dominated by my AJo. No flushes or straights to worry about. And, Sure Enough, the river is a 7. He hits a 2 outer for 2 pair and wins, busting me out.

    Sucks, right? So here's the question. Knowing what he had, should I have played it for smaller amounts, limiting the pot, so I could have got to the river and possibly not been all in? I think I could have played it a little less agressively, like check called, and he wouldn't have made big bets. Yes, I'd have lost the hand both ways, but I could have had chips left that way. I have read how the pros avoid all in situations in freeze out tourneys and such. If I'd have won, I'd have 5Kish, about 2.5 times average at that point...

    I know about getting all your chips in with the best and hand and I did that. But hands like this kill me. I knew I had a good table that I could have out played for a while. Should I have backed off and played it differently, especially since I was out of position?

    Any advice appreciated.

    Thanks
    Randy
  2. Octan3_ipwnsippin Octan3_ipwnsippin is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 7:54pm) in reply to R P L

    you thought you had him beat, so paly for a big hand.
  3. BDickinson BDickinson is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 8:20pm) in reply to R P L

    I'm not usually a tourney player, more of a cash game player, but I read this and decided to try and give my advice here. If you truly believe your read is right, and that he has A rag, then you should make this play everytime. I know hands like this kill you and if you would have played a smaller pot you'd be in, but if you win, like you will 94% of the time, you're putting yourself in great chip position for the rest of the tournament. If you're not sure about your read, on the other hand, keeping this pot small would be great. I, personally, try to keep most pots small in cash games unless I'm totally sure I have the guy beat.

    It just seems to me, that if you're playing to win the tournament, then this play was correct. Sometimes you'll lose, most the time you won't.
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