The $1.45 ($1.25+.15) 90-man KO on PS are a good deal, rake-wise. Not to mention very soft fields.

STT SNG on FTP are a great deal rake-wise, although now that they're On Demand it's bigger variance.

When I think about rake, all I realize is that I have to make a 10% profit to overcome the rake... if I'm paying 12.5% or more, that means I have to make even more profit just to break even.

 

Originally Posted by allin4flush

The $1.45 ($1.25+.15) 90-man KO on PS are a good deal, rake-wise. Not to mention very soft fields.

STT SNG on FTP are a great deal rake-wise, although now that they're On Demand it's bigger variance.

When I think about rake, all I realize is that I have to make a 10% profit to overcome the rake... if I'm paying 12.5% or more, that means I have to make even more profit just to break even.

Can you explain the math behind that, the fact that you need to make 10% profit to overcome the rake? Or is it simply if you are paying 10% rake, you need over 10% profit to overcome the rake?

Thanks

 

Originally Posted by freeworld777

2.20 180s

I would need $440 to play that, not within proper BRM.

4.10 9 man knockouts (3 dollars and .35 rake) so obv better then 3.40s and that doesnt include added value of bounties... also play the 2.20 90 mans... very soft

Anybody else with some advice please :)

my advice is don't play nine mans. in a 9 player SnG, you can typically win 3 1/2 times you buy-in, but you have to pay 10% rake to do it. In a 180 player, you can win 50 times your buy-in, and only have to pay one rake. To win 50 buy-ins in 9 mans, you are going to pay a lot of rakes.

now, you could argue that while the 180 gives you 50 buy-ins, it's also harder to win, so you'll end up paying just as much in rake, but i don't think that's true, because a bad player will probably have more trouble overcoming a 180 field than a 9 player field, so most of the times, the winner of a 180 will be halfway decent more often than in a 9 man.

just curious....you've been a member since 2007 and you've been playing on the same $100 roll that whole time?

 

Originally Posted by MYBLUEDOG

The KO SNGs are fun but the KO bounties don't help your situation unless you average winning 2xKO each event. It's more like adding 20% additional rake.

Please explain when the rake is less for a 4.10 knockout 9 man then a 3.40 9 man...

 

Originally Posted by MYBLUEDOG

Stay away from $1. DONs. You will need to be ITM 55% to just break-even because you only win $0.90 wihen you survive.

Be reluctant to play STT if you are not super-good at ICM. Your rake calculation is a bit off. See the following: basic math
0.15 is 13% rake on the $1.15 tournament
0.10 is 9% rake on the $1.10 tournament
0.20 is 16.7% on the $1.20 tournament
0.25 is 7.8% on the $3.25 tournament
0.40 is 11.8% on the $3.40 tournament

Playing STT, you will need to be ITM 40%+ to have a change to be break-even or a slight profit.

If you are going to play SNGs play the MT-SNGs because you can be profitable with being ITM 25% to 30%. This is because the larger fields pay-outs are much better.

The KO SNGs are fun but the KO bounties don't help your situation unless you average winning 2xKO each event. It's more like adding 20% additional rake.

Right that makes sense, I was taking the rake as part of the buy-in not the total of buy-in+rake, thanks.

 

Originally Posted by gjallen1975

my advice is don't play nine mans. in a 9 player SnG, you can typically win 3 1/2 times you buy-in, but you have to pay 10% rake to do it. In a 180 player, you can win 50 times your buy-in, and only have to pay one rake. To win 50 buy-ins in 9 mans, you are going to pay a lot of rakes.

now, you could argue that while the 180 gives you 50 buy-ins, it's also harder to win, so you'll end up paying just as much in rake, but i don't think that's true, because a bad player will probably have more trouble overcoming a 180 field than a 9 player field, so most of the times, the winner of a 180 will be halfway decent more often than in a 9 man.

just curious....you've been a member since 2007 and you've been playing on the same $100 roll that whole time?

LOLL, man if I still was, I would quit immediately :)

In all seriousness, I played a few years ago, got 4th or 5th in an FTP $26 for $1274ish, had to cash out because needed it for my car. Didn't have enough to play for a while. Deposited on stars like a year later, something small not big, and I think I lost like 1/2 of it and cashed out cause again I needed it for something else. Last year I started playing live tourneys, small $40 and $60s, shipped a few but as is the case with my life, needed it for school. Finally this August I had a tiny bit of cash and deposited on Stars and have pledged to myself to not withdraw and to see where it goes, started working though so not a lot of time for volume. Now I'm home while searching for something else so have more time for poker.

 

Originally Posted by ZenEnso

You can mix in the $2 /180 mans.

Jennifear's bankroll guide is amazing but it is also very tight. I know several people who do not adhere to it as tightly as it says. Even if you did, you can still mix in the $2 180 mans if you are balancing it out enough with $1 sngs.

Are we talking 9 man Sngs?

Thanks everyone

 

Originally Posted by gjallen1975

quick question, OP says he isn't rolled for 2.2/180 at $300. I thought jennifear's guideline was based on the 100 buy-in standard i always knew of. is she suggesting you have 200 buy-ins?

also, what about mixing it up? if you open five 1.10/45 and five 2.20/180s, then your ABI is $1.65. wouldn't something like that work?

No, Jennifear uses 200 buy-in for 180 mans and MTTs. So in order to play $2.20, you need to have $440 remaining in your account after you register for your last $2.20 180 man if you're multi-tabling. She doesn't use an ABI concept, at least not to my knowledge.

 

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

I'm assuming you're only playing on pokerstars....... (I f'n hate micro SNG's on Stars).
I'd consider playing the $3-27plyr. 'reg. speed' if I were you (I'd play them with a $100 bankroll even). The 27's typically have a small # of players who do very well & a ton of players who are pretty bad.
My neighbour plays the $2-180's when he's trying to grind up a roll & swears by them.
If I were you, I'd also consider throwing in a bunch of micro buyin MTT's ($2-$4)

As far as BRM goes, if my bankroll on a site is really low I'll deviate from BRM rules... because I know I won't have patience to play anything under the $5's.(if I go busto, so what... p2p transfer FTW)

Yes, I am playing on Stars, although I should really consider switching to FTP since I have rakeback there but I like the micro MTTs on Stars compared to FTP. I'm been playing the $3.40 9 mans for a couple of days so now I really miss MTTs so I threw in 3 tonight, still in 2 so hopefully they go well. I'm going to look into the 27 mans you sugeested and will still start playing the 180 mans when the roll gets a bit bigger. Thanks for the help

Thanks to everyone else for the advice :)

Simple, don't play any SNG or MTT with higher than 10% rake. There is plenty to choose from and even some that have no rake. Between stars and FTP I could build you a small micro MTT schedule that had no rake. SNGs are a diff story, you could grind the heck out of those $0.10 turbo 360-mans on Stars, lol.

 

Originally Posted by MuteAsasin87

Can you pm me a schedule or even put it on here for stars, I'm curious to see what tournaments you are talking about when you say "no rake".

Thanks

01:30 FTP $1 The Ferguson
04:00 Stars $0.10 Turbo [$50 added]
10:00 Stars $0.10 Turbo [$50 added]
15:15 FTP $1+R Daily Dollar Rebuy 10k Guarantee
16:00 Stars $0.10 Turbo [$50 added]
20:15 FTP $1 Daily Dollar 10k Guarantee
22:00 Stars $0.25 [$100 added]

No rake on any of those. Some of them have money added and the Daily Dollar @ 20:15 quite often has an overlay of $1,000 - $1,500. I thought there was more than one of those $0.25 [$100 added] on Stars but I couldn't find it on the schedule. Stars also runs those $0.10 turbo 360-mans and then both Stars and FTP have tons of freerolls all day as well. You don't even really need a bankroll to build a bankroll these days.

 

Originally Posted by SICKTIGHT311

01:30 FTP $1 The Ferguson
04:00 stars $0.10 Turbo [$50 added]
10:00 Stars $0.10 Turbo [$50 added]
15:15 FTP $1+R Daily Dollar Rebuy 10k Guarantee
16:00 Stars $0.10 Turbo [$50 added]
20:15 FTP $1 Daily Dollar 10k Guarantee
22:00 Stars $0.25 [$100 added]

No rake on any of those. Some of them have money added and the Daily Dollar @ 20:15 quite often has an overlay of $1,000 - $1,500. I thought there was more than one of those $0.25 [$100 added] on Stars but I couldn't find it on the schedule. Stars also runs those $0.10 turbo 360-mans and then both Stars and FTP have tons of freerolls all day as well. You don't even really need a bankroll to build a bankroll these days.

IMO, choosing MTTs or SNGs mainly depends on which type of games you are better at / you like the most.
I am an MTT player, I like the fact of hitting big and I guess I can handle the swings pretty good, well better than the field at the avg field at the stakes I play so I feel very confident at this.
I know PPL that cannot handle this swings so SNGs are better for them. I am sure I can crush the SNGs but I like MTTs too much, I feel bored after a couple of SNG grind session..

If I'll be in your shoes I would follow Sicktight advice and build it up, mixin' with SNGs when there is few of these MTTS available.

 

Originally Posted by iamthedeck ftw

These sound really good. With 20% getting paid, variance should be much lower, and with a better structure, your ROI should be much higher/game. You may also want to look at the $1.10 90-man turbos on Stars. They have some variance, but you should be ok as long as your BR remains within Jennifear's guidelines. One thing that is important to consider is $/hr, and even though your ROI will prob be higher on on FTP's deep stacked, you will prob make money faster with the turbos. GL!

I recall now having played these 90men DS a bit, as Iamthedeck says they last soooo long, I quit grinding them quickly as the one of 5$ last approx 4 hour... I would choose the turbo structure as explained hereover.

 

Originally Posted by nw25th

Holy sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet...this is truly amazing:
http://officialpokerrankings.com/pok...57700.html?t=2

Wow... this is such a grind...

 

Originally Posted by finewhine

Yeah, the $5 DS do last longer, and it takes a long time to get 90 players, but the $1.10 last usually less than 3 hours, and they fill up quickly, so you could easily be multitabling 6+ within an hour, and they almost never last for more than 2 1/2 hours, so if u bust out of one, just add another. The turbos on stars would def give you a chance to build up the br more quickly, but I've always disliked turbos, so they are not for me, but could well be for you.

Yep, Stars SNGs for Multi tabling is better as they filled up faster.