I flat pre, b/c reraising a UTG raiser with JJ up front like that just seemed like a risky and unnecessary play, esp at this blind level in this tourney.

I bet the flop pretty much just for information, and put him on a K immediately.

I thought that I would be able to successfully represent spades with a c/r on the turn, but it was miserably ineffective and I had to check/fold the river when trips came on board.

I'm guessing I should have raised more on the turn, but I'm wondering if I would have been able to push him off here with anything, ever. Thoughts?

And while I'm at it, who in their right mind checks behind on the river there? Does he somehow have me on a 2? Really? Seems pretty impossible given the play preflop.

Full Tilt Poker Game #6228633899: Daily Double - A (46735012), Table 38 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:11:19 ET - 2008/04/29

Seat 1: Emoya6907 (2,100)

Seat 2: CANE635 (2,050)

Seat 3: locutus2002 (2,000)

Seat 4: HiFi01 (1,900)

Seat 5: jakehellz (2,000)

Seat 6: DENBEAR (1,940)

Seat 7: gangrenus (2,150)

Seat 8: boba23 (1,950)

Seat 9: N8420R (1,910)

Emoya6907 posts the small blind of 10

CANE635 posts the big blind of 20

The button is in seat #9

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to HiFi01 [Jd Jc]

locutus2002 has 15 seconds left to act

locutus2002 raises to 60

HiFi01 has 15 seconds left to act

HiFi01 calls 60

jakehellz folds

DENBEAR has 15 seconds left to act

DENBEAR calls 60

gangrenus folds

boba23 folds

N8420R calls 60

Emoya6907 calls 50

CANE635 folds

*** FLOP *** [2s 2d Ks]

Emoya6907 has 15 seconds left to act

Emoya6907 checks

locutus2002 checks

HiFi01 has 15 seconds left to act

HiFi01 bets 125

DENBEAR calls 125

N8420R folds

Emoya6907 folds

locutus2002 has 15 seconds left to act

locutus2002 folds

*** TURN *** [2s 2d Ks] [3s]

HiFi01 has 15 seconds left to act

HiFi01 checks

DENBEAR has 15 seconds left to act

DENBEAR bets 200

HiFi01 raises to 650

DENBEAR has 15 seconds left to act

DENBEAR calls 450

*** RIVER *** [2s 2d Ks 3s] [2h]

HiFi01 has 15 seconds left to act

HiFi01 checks

DENBEAR checks

*** SHOW DOWN ***

HiFi01 shows [Jd Jc] a full house, Twos full of Jacks

DENBEAR shows [Qh Kd] a full house, Twos full of Kings

DENBEAR wins the pot (1,870) with a full house, Twos full of Kings

The blinds are now 15/30

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 1,870 | Rake 0

Board: [2s 2d Ks 3s 2h]

Seat 1: Emoya6907 (small blind) folded on the Flop

Seat 2: CANE635 (big blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 3: locutus2002 folded on the Flop

Seat 4: HiFi01 showed [Jd Jc] and lost with a full house, Twos full of Jacks

Seat 5: jakehellz didn't bet (folded)

Seat 6: DENBEAR showed [Qh Kd] and won (1,870) with a full house, Twos full of Kings

Seat 7: gangrenus didn't bet (folded)

Seat 8: boba23 didn't bet (folded)

Seat 9: N8420R (button) folded on the Flop

I most certainly did not limp with JJ. I flatted the UTG raiser, which you would have known if you'd bothered to read my post. Thanks for nothing.

And for the record, I'm not saying my opponent played it incorrectly. I'm asking what could have been done differently, particularly on the turn, that might have made him fold the best hand.

 

Originally Posted by lordxixor101

Make it 180, and then if he pushes, you can get out of the hand (think of it this way, it still ended up cheaper than what you paid).

After the flop, you can't force someone to fold here. It's up to you to read if the player will make a fold or not. It looks very early in the tournament, so you likely don't have reads if you haven't played with this person before. On the turn, you should be shutting down, check folding. The only thing you can do to try and get a fold is either bet out or check/raise here. You did one of them, and it didn't get rid of him.

Good point. By reraising pre I might have been able to get HU with the original raiser, and probably would have taken the pot or at least gotten away more cheaply than I did. ugh. It would probably also help if I stopped expecting bad players/stations to be able to make more difficult folds... even with a killer read you can't outplay someone who's CONVINCED they have the best hand, no matter how much bad information you feed them that indicates otherwise. I should know better than that by now, and c/f the turn accordingly. Thanks for your input.

spewing chips that is all ...dont represent and try to build pots at this point of a tourny imo.

In poker you have to learn not to outthink yourself...at this stage in the DailyDouble this hand is pretty easy to play. Just because there is an UTG raise your JJ is not weak...you can't limp here because then you encourage alot more limps, thus any flop w/o a J becomes hard to play...As played you should have just checked the flop and got out of the way, no reason to go crazy with JJ on a Khi board in a 4way pot at 10/20 blinds (think about it, u said you only called because you didnt want to get to involved and yet you ended up losing a chunk of your chips)....the right play would have been to raise pre....most of the time you will take the pot right there, if he calls you have position on him and the hand becomes relatively easy to play.

I see what you mean. There are lots of things I could have done to avoid this becoming such a tricky spot, and I didn't do any of them. Good to know that I really shouldn't be slowing down on JJ pre here, and try to get away cheaply when the K flops.