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Awful wtf spot in $4.40 cubed

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  1. Pafnutka Pafnutka is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 12:55am)

    We are approaching the bubble, about 130 people left out of 350. My stack is right around the average. Everyone at the table is pretty much a random, as I spent the previous couple of minutes disconnected and came back to a new table. The button has opened once this orbit and took the pot down pre-flop. No reads on the SB whatsoever, other than his big stack.

    pokerstars Game #50960043197: Tournament #318986063, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (150/300) - 2010/10/12 3:32:22 MSK [2010/10/11 19:32:22 ET]
    Table '318986063 15' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: supabulle (15229 in chips)
    Seat 2: IzenAtila (32693 in chips)
    Seat 3: Pafnutka (17295 in chips)
    Seat 4: TiGrEmUyLoCo (14983 in chips)
    Seat 5: 1poorgirl (1265 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 6: chezzzz (9930 in chips)
    Seat 7: eurodiesel75 (15180 in chips)
    Seat 8: adlerauge66 (13943 in chips)
    Seat 9: Hirtenknig (9386 in chips)
    supabulle: posts the ante 40
    IzenAtila: posts the ante 40
    Pafnutka: posts the ante 40
    TiGrEmUyLoCo: posts the ante 40
    1poorgirl: posts the ante 40
    chezzzz: posts the ante 40
    eurodiesel75: posts the ante 40
    adlerauge66: posts the ante 40
    Hirtenknig: posts the ante 40
    IzenAtila: posts small blind 150
    Pafnutka: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Pafnutka [Ad 7h]
    TiGrEmUyLoCo: folds
    1poorgirl: folds
    chezzzz: folds
    eurodiesel75: folds
    adlerauge66: folds
    Hirtenknig: folds
    supabulle: raises 300 to 600
    IzenAtila: calls 450
    Pafnutka: calls 300
    *** FLOP *** [Ah Js 7c]
    IzenAtila: checks
    Pafnutka: checks
    supabulle: bets 900
    IzenAtila: calls 900
    Pafnutka: raises 1988 to 2888
    supabulle: folds
    IzenAtila: raises 29165 to 32053 and is all-in
    Pafnutka: ???

    There are no reasonable draws on the board. AA and 77 are highly unlikely, given my hand. So, the only things he could imaginably have that beat me are AJ and JJ. Do I have to trust that he holds one of those, puke and fold here?
    Edited By: Pafnutka Oct 12th, 2010 at 01:02 AM
  2. Abratzzi Abratzzi is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 1:03am) in reply to Pafnutka

    I deff not flatting oop pre with a7 os vs 2 players fold pre. As played its deff a puke spot really dont see anyone playing ak aq like this in a 3way pot so its either aj of 77 fold.
  3. Pafnutka Pafnutka is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 1:17am) in reply to Abratzzi

     
    Originally Posted by Abratzzi View Post

    I deff not flatting oop pre with a7 os vs 2 players fold pre. As played its deff a puke spot really dont see anyone playing ak aq like this in a 3way pot so its either aj of 77 fold.

    But how often does a SB just flat with AJ, JJ or even 77 after the button raise? I'd say 95% 3-bet that spot. Wouldn't you say there's a reasonable chance that he's just a donk, shoving something like J7 or Ax? This is $4.40 cubed we're talking about, not the $100R.
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  4. shallowcal shallowcal is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 1:19am) in reply to Abratzzi

     
    Originally Posted by Abratzzi View Post

    I deff not flatting oop pre with a7 os vs 2 players fold pre. As played its deff a puke spot really dont see anyone playing ak aq like this in a 3way pot so its either aj of 77 fold.

    people spazz here all the time in these lower stakes w/ a lot of aces, not just ak and aq. i think i am insta snap calling here vs random donk in a 4.40
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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 1:19am) in reply to Abratzzi

     
    Originally Posted by Abratzzi View Post

    I deff not flatting oop pre with a7 os vs 2 players fold pre. As played its deff a puke spot really dont see anyone playing ak aq like this in a 3way pot so its either aj of 77 fold.

    if anyones at all familiar with the quality of players in the $4^quad night tournament, this just cant be a fold to a single three bet on a rainbow board with 2 pair. never ever ever ever ever fold here.
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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 1:35am) in reply to doomed222

    check/flat/shove on the flop feels like he's got a monster and wanted to get some value for down the track.

    As far as range goes, I wouldn't dismiss any sets, regardless of your A7... But as stated, it's a $4.40 cubed so a lot of players are spewing with any ace here.

    I'm calling here. It's a def puke spot but I'm getting it in here for table chiplead
  7. Abratzzi Abratzzi is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 1:38am) in reply to SlayNL

    Donk fest or not the way the hand played out pretty obv your behind more than not I think. You dont always assume every player is a donk. And i really dont see him flatting with a naked ace. As played It not like call the all in is a bad play but if you look at the action you cant argue your beat a lot there.
  8. winkie23 winkie23 is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 1:42am) in reply to Abratzzi

    I would probably suffer a finger injury hitting the call button too fast.
  9. DibbZ DibbZ is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 1:45am) in reply to winkie23

    I'm calling in a $4 all day long

    High five monitor when villain rolls over A10.
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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 1:50am) in reply to DibbZ

    The 95% figure about ppl 3-betting there is all wrong. With a stack you can flat that ALL DAY.
  11. BodieBroadus BodieBroadus is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 1:55am) in reply to DibbZ

    I'm folding pre but as played I'm calling all day villain could have any two with that stack imo. Don't really understand how this is close to the bubble either.
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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 1:57am) in reply to BodieBroadus

    Get it in. Really dont think this is a wtf spot
  13. Pafnutka Pafnutka is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 2:44am) in reply to BSherman2

    Btw, what's so wrong with flatting on BB with A7o, having better than 6-to-1 odds after the button min-raise and a SB call?
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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 2:47am) in reply to Pafnutka

     
    Originally Posted by Pafnutka View Post

    Btw, what's so wrong with flatting on BB with A7o, having better than 6-to-1 odds after the button min-raise and a SB call?


    because you put yourself into a position such as this one where you smashed your hand and now you have no idea wtf to do.....
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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 2:54am) in reply to shallowcal

    I feel like the bigger concern here should be why are u approaching the bubble when there are 130 left and u started with 350?
     
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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 3:09am) in reply to in4games

     
    Originally Posted by in4games View Post

    I feel like the bigger concern here should be why are u approaching the bubble when there are 130 left and u started with 350?

    Ok, agreed, that was a definite exageration. I think 45 cash in that one.

    Thanks everyone for your thoughts, those really helped a lot. Here's the end of this sad story.

    Pafnutka: calls 13767 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (15398) returned to IzenAtila
    *** TURN *** [Ah Js 7c] [7s]
    *** RIVER *** [Ah Js 7c 7s] [3d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    IzenAtila: shows [Jc Jh] (a full house, Jacks full of Sevens)
    Pafnutka: shows [Ad 7h] (a full house, Sevens full of Aces)
    IzenAtila collected 36370 from pot
    Pafnutka finished the tournament in 132nd place
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 36370 | Rake 0
    Board [Ah Js 7c 7s 3d]
    Seat 1: supabulle (button) folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: IzenAtila (small blind) showed [Jc Jh] and won (36370) with a full house, Jacks full of Sevens
    Seat 3: Pafnutka (big blind) showed [Ad 7h] and lost with a full house, Sevens full of Aces
    Seat 4: TiGrEmUyLoCo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: 1poorgirl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: chezzzz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: eurodiesel75 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: adlerauge66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Hirtenknig folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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  17. SlayNL SlayNL is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2010 (10/12/2010 3:13am) in reply to SlayNL

     
    Originally Posted by SlayNL View Post

    check/flat/shove on the flop feels like he's got a monster

    LOL ^^ This
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