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Awkward spot with AK

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  1. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    Jan 13th, 2009 (1/13/2009 3:34pm)

    Villain is playin 30/5 through 30 hands, so pretty loose and very passive. What do you do here?

    pokerstars Game #23869933636: Tournament #132775881, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (50/100) - 2009/01/13 16:31:07 ET
    Table '132775881 225' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: hannibal79 (4477 in chips)
    Seat 2: Twistax (5490 in chips)
    Seat 3: yuka666 (5955 in chips)
    Seat 4: rounderbelg (5995 in chips)
    Seat 5: oo trickster (4861 in chips)
    Seat 6: D@dHunt3r (8635 in chips)
    Seat 7: HHH83 (3860 in chips)
    Seat 8: matkinson (10960 in chips)
    Seat 9: tim_411 (3199 in chips)
    hannibal79: posts the ante 10
    Twistax: posts the ante 10
    yuka666: posts the ante 10
    rounderbelg: posts the ante 10
    oo trickster: posts the ante 10
    D@dHunt3r: posts the ante 10
    HHH83: posts the ante 10
    matkinson: posts the ante 10
    tim_411: posts the ante 10
    matkinson: posts small blind 50
    tim_411: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to matkinson [Ad Kd]
    hannibal79: folds
    Twistax: folds
    yuka666: raises 1100 to 1200
    rounderbelg: folds
    oo trickster: folds
    D@dHunt3r: folds
    HHH83: folds
    matkinson:
     
  2. moman1965 moman1965 is offline

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    Jan 13th, 2009 (1/13/2009 5:57pm) in reply to rivverkiller

    Instaship. High five when he calls with a2 and then cry as flop comes 345!!
    Seriously, if he is a loose donktard, you gotta put him all in here.
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    Jan 13th, 2009 (1/13/2009 6:06pm) in reply to moman1965

     
    Originally Posted by moman1965 View Post

    Instaship. High five when he calls with a2 and then cry as flop comes 345!!
    Seriously, if he is a loose donktard, you gotta put him all in here.

    Yes, but this is a loose/passive donktard who isn't raising to 1200 with A2 or I'd agree with you.
     
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    Jan 13th, 2009 (1/13/2009 6:29pm) in reply to rivverkiller

    Ship it. If he flips AA or KK, oh well. I'd think his range has AQ as well as a lot of medium pairs in this spot which he doesn't want to play post-flop. AK figures to be good here.
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    Jan 14th, 2009 (1/14/2009 1:50am) in reply to rivverkiller

    What's his range here? AK-AQ AA-TT maybe?? If that sounds right its 50/50. I really don't see the harm in folding here. It's not an easy decision here. If he were a tough player I may just shove. But you say he's loose/passive so fold. It may be easier to get his chips after seeing a flop then betting him off it when check to. So being tight/passive and you got position on him I lean toward folding. Then again shoving isn't that bad either. I should be 50/50 and your still in good shape if you lose here. And real good shape if you win. But I fold and wait for a better spot. Flat calling is out of the question as you miss to many flops(2/3's of them). Just too many chips to risk here with only ace high.
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    Jan 14th, 2009 (1/14/2009 2:38am) in reply to cardplayer52

     
    Originally Posted by cardplayer52 View Post

    What's his range here? AK-AQ AA-TT maybe??

    His range is bound to be wider than this. OP said he was 30/5 over 30 hands, which is far too few hands to say he's only raising 5% of his hands long-term. I'd say his range is at a minimum AJ+,88+,KQs and likely wider, and I would tend to think this bet is leaning more towards the low end of that range. AKo is a 52% favorite against this range, and if you take out the top end (AA and KK) it's a 56.5% favorite. Unless OP had more hands on him to know that villan massively over-raises with only AA and KK, this is a ship imo. This bet-size screams of a trouble hand post-flop. What are you going to do when you flop air if you flat and he bets his AK thinking that it is a great hand even w/o a pair? Get it in and fire up another if you lose.
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    Jan 14th, 2009 (1/14/2009 12:44pm) in reply to rivverkiller

    only two hands you're really worried about.. insta shipp in a $10 freezeout no thought needed
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    Jan 14th, 2009 (1/14/2009 2:58pm) in reply to rivverkiller

    I'm not sure exactly what 30/5 through 30 hands means here.

    That being said, he's loose, you have chips, and only the bb to act. I think I ship it in. If bb wakes up with a hand, oh well, horrible luck.

    Still, your flipping or ahead of a huge part of his range. Not only that, you fear 2 hands, and 1 of those 2, you still win 33% of the time against. Flatting is the worst thing you can do. I think folding here is way too tight against a passive player. Against a tight player, sure, but a guy playing a bunch of hands, you need to play this. Raising and pushing are pretty much the same thing (any cbet puts you all in), so just push it.

    If he has a big hand, it's just a bad break.
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    Jan 14th, 2009 (1/14/2009 8:32pm) in reply to lordxixor101

    I don't mind taking flips in tourneys, especially once antes are in, however I'm 110 bb's deep and villain is 60 bb's deep and I don't think he's folding very often if I shove so I'm basically playing a 120ish bb pot with AK against what is probably a tight range. If villain raises to 300 then this obviously plays out differently, but he chose to raise to 1200 (i doubt this is a misclick of any sort). I personally don't think his range is any wider then AK, JJ+ but wanted to check that out with the rest of P5's. I ended up taking the conservtive route and folding.
     
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