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Awkward spot with JJ in FTP 9.5K Gtd.

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  1. The Mooks The Mooks is offline

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    Jul 19th, 2007 (7/19/2007 6:23pm)

    What is your play here? I have no reads on my opponents but i am assuming the shorty's range is way behind me here. With that said, is it a shove, smooth call or can i possibly fold?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #2996717600: $9,500 Guarantee (Rebuy) (22335122), Table 10 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:14:41 ET - 2007/07/19

    Papa Nutz sits down

    Papa Nutz adds 12,888

    Seat 1: Hattrick312 (2,205)

    Seat 3: Tcn49 (8,395)

    Seat 4: bettingsucks (10,155)

    Seat 5: TheMooks (12,145)

    Seat 6: bnix21 (3,990)

    Seat 7: RoyalKAPS (8,860)

    Seat 8: jddouble (3,370)

    bettingsucks posts the small blind of 100

    TheMooks posts the big blind of 200

    The button is in seat #3

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to TheMooks [Jh Jd]

    bnix21 folds

    RoyalKAPS has 15 seconds left to act

    RoyalKAPS raises to 600

    jddouble folds

    Hattrick312 has 15 seconds left to act

    Hattrick312 raises to 2,205, and is all in

    Tcn49 folds

    bettingsucks folds

    TheMooks
     
  2. WiserPenny WiserPenny is offline

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    Jul 19th, 2007 (7/19/2007 6:24pm) in reply to The Mooks

    i probably just call...
  3. The Mooks The Mooks is offline

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    Jul 19th, 2007 (7/19/2007 6:33pm) in reply to WiserPenny

    And call if the original raiser shoves?
     
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  4. Redspade Redspade is offline

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    Jul 19th, 2007 (7/19/2007 6:40pm) in reply to The Mooks

    It helps tremendously to have some kinda read on the originial raiser.......anything........folding to a shove after callin is terrible....so if your playing taking the aggressive stance and raise it 6800........I'd prolly like to see him fold...
  5. adam_mc adam_mc is offline

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    Jul 19th, 2007 (7/19/2007 6:50pm) in reply to Redspade

    I shove. Original raisers range includes any pair any big card combo and big ace etc, still may even include suited connectors. If he has this beat next tournament for me. Given original raisers stack size a raise to 5k pot commits you against him anyways, so preserve max fold equity and stick it in. You cant make it 6k then fold to 2200 more.

    This is a tough spot but given the original raisers range I think youvery likely have the best hand with a lot of dead money in there somuch so that you need to find out where you are at. Re raising to isowill absolutely force out AQ AJ AT which are likely holdings as well asget lower pairs to fold. Just calling is too weak I think given how bigyour chip stack is at the time.

    Shove it in, hope he doesnt have QQ+.

    Results?
  6. The Mooks The Mooks is offline

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    Jul 19th, 2007 (7/19/2007 6:56pm) in reply to adam_mc

    Ya it obv helps to have a read but the reality of it is that when you are playing so many tables you wont have a read on most of the players. So the decision is based on stacks sizes, position etc. I agree calling and folding to a reshove is way to weak. Ill post results later.
     
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  7. SirDonksALot SirDonksALot is offline

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    Jul 19th, 2007 (7/19/2007 8:05pm) in reply to The Mooks

    shove it innnnnnn.
  8. Willing2Die Willing2Die is offline

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    Jul 19th, 2007 (7/19/2007 8:25pm) in reply to The Mooks

    I shove here. If you call and price the original raiser into calling, you're basically set-mining.
     
  9. gizmo888 gizmo888 is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2007 (7/20/2007 3:02am) in reply to The Mooks

    honestly im not even a tight player by any means but i think this is a clear fold. The all ins range doesnt necessarily have you beat but you have to consider the initial raiser.(shove could still have you beat its not like he isnt shoving if he has you beat)He can hurt you and you have a very healthy stack in relation to the blinds, Id rather chip up in small pots as the aggressor myself, if he doestnt shove then reraising the initial raiser is definitely an option to see where your at and to take the aggressive approach...
  10. gizmo888 gizmo888 is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2007 (7/20/2007 3:03am) in reply to gizmo888

    not a clear fold let me rephrase that
  11. SCTrojans SCTrojans is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2007 (7/20/2007 3:25am) in reply to The Mooks

    eek tough spot, shove prolly
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  12. d2themfi d2themfi is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2007 (7/20/2007 5:52am) in reply to The Mooks

    depends on the opener raisers range, but since tacks are 45 bb and theres 15 bb in the pot already its a shove to most players
     
  13. fallaway fallaway is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2007 (7/20/2007 10:02am) in reply to SCTrojans

    Curious about this.

    What if this was a tournament that meant a great deal to you, WSOP ME for example, or the only tournament you would be playing that night...etc...

    Still shove?

    I think a shove may be slightly +ev here, hoping to see the other two with AK, AK or such, but all in all, there is something to be said for folding this and waiting to be the agressor into a pot rather than reacting to two in front of you.

    I'm not sure if, given my "important tournament to you" qualifier, I wouldn't just fold this here.

    Yes I am that weak.
  14. Imustcall Imustcall is offline

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    Jul 20th, 2007 (7/20/2007 10:26am) in reply to d2themfi

    SC, I had to giggle at your post after your shove fest in the 30R last night on Full Tilt. Good job in the WSOP.
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    Jul 20th, 2007 (7/20/2007 11:24am) in reply to The Mooks

    shove JJ+/AK imo
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