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Backed myself into a corner here

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  1. dtools22 dtools22 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2007 (9/11/2007 3:20pm)

    I didn't think raising this hand would do me any good with the open limp. The call pre might be quetionable but i'm getting at least 2.5-1 on my money. The flop hits me, but now what.....

    EDIT: Both of the guys behind me are tightening up significantly, so they are not going to call or raise with anything less than good hands.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #3530921345: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (26965182), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:13:13 ET - 2007/09/11
    Seat 1: applecrumb (2,520)
    Seat 2: poker77701 (6,265)
    Seat 6: ziozuma (3,110)
    Seat 7: dtools22 (1,605)
    applecrumb posts the small blind of 50
    poker77701 posts the big blind of 100
    The button is in seat #7
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dtools22 [Td Qd]
    ziozuma calls 100
    dtools22 calls 100
    applecrumb folds
    poker77701 checks
    *** FLOP *** [Qs 4s 2h]
    poker77701 checks
    ziozuma bets 200
    dtools22 raises to 600
    poker77701 folds
    ziozuma raises to 1,900
    dtools22 has 15 seconds left to act
    dtools22 has requested TIME
    dtools22????????
  2. triggathree triggathree is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2007 (9/11/2007 3:26pm) in reply to dtools22

    easy fold

    I love raising half my stack on the turn with the intention of folding, I think it is a very under used play in poker.
     
  3. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2007 (9/11/2007 3:30pm) in reply to dtools22

    Dont limp to begin with. Shove that puppy pre or fold..
  4. dtools22 dtools22 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2007 (9/11/2007 3:30pm) in reply to triggathree

    Ok then, what do you do after that bet into you? I can't call since then I have no idea where I am in the hand.
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    Sep 11th, 2007 (9/11/2007 3:30pm) in reply to AFink93

    shove? kidding? just fold pre or raise to 350 if the dude limps weak alot
  6. JDeEzLy JDeEzLy is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2007 (9/11/2007 3:35pm) in reply to dtools22

    Call and kick yourself for not shoving after he bet 200 on the flop. He could have you beat, but with his limp UTG 4-handed on the bubble, I don't know if you can put him on KQ/QJ. DEFINITELY not AQ unless he was hoping to get raised or something.

    Just call. I think you're probably facing a flush draw or possibly a midpair JJ-55.
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    Sep 11th, 2007 (9/11/2007 3:36pm) in reply to Damage1

    I agree a shove pre is out, no way I want a caller and it's not likely I think that all three fold.
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  8. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2007 (9/11/2007 3:39pm) in reply to dtools22

    Dtools,

    Remember an important addage in poker, you play the players, not your cards. What do players like to do at this level, they love to overplay very mediocre hands, and then refuse to get away from them.

    So, you need to avoid doing this, not do it yourself.

    4 handed, this is either a hand that you raise to take down preflop, or you just fold it. Limping this sort of hand is terrible because if you hit, you likely won't have that great of holdings, and if you have players who refuse to fold mediocre hands, you won't have any idea what you have.

    So, really, this is a raise/fold preflop. If you limp and it's raised, you really just want to dump it. Situations like this si why.

    Now, here is the question, are you ahead? No one knows here. Players playing $2 will move with a 1010 or a JJ on something like this. Even AK probably pushes. But, all better Queens do the same thing, and your in terrible shape.

    So, you have to avoid situations like this. Have a plan wit your hand ahead of time.

    Also, I think there is sometimes too much worrying about pot odds. Ok, you were getting 2.5 to 1 on your money. If this was a cash game, that would be meaningful. In a tournament, your chips have extra value, since you can't just sit right back down in this spot and play again. So, pot odds are only one piece.

    Overall, just avoid the spot. Players here are so bad that you can get your money in far better than this.
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    Sep 11th, 2007 (9/11/2007 3:42pm) in reply to Damage1

    Its a SNG? Why is shove so horrible? I would say of the options given.. Shove,Limp,Raise,Fold.. The one the OP took is by far the worst option. I think fold is best option. Followed by Raise. Then Shove then Limp. Flame away bishes with higher PLB scores.
  10. dtools22 dtools22 is offline

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    Sep 11th, 2007 (9/11/2007 3:46pm) in reply to lordxixor101

    This is another very obvious leak in my game that needs to be addressed. I mucked the hand and ended up on the bubble about 10 or so hands later. Thanks to everyone for the positive input.
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