Backfired spot on river early in WCOOP3

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  1. Steve Murkle Steve Murkle is offline

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    Sep 6th, 2010 (9/6/2010 1:04am)

    PokerStars Game #49188004604: Tournament #2010090003, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (60/120) - 2010/09/05 18:40:14 ET
    Table '2010090003 30' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: STYLISH PLAY (17682 in chips)
    Seat 2: rcrane082985 (12723 in chips)
    Seat 3: VUK DJ (8060 in chips)
    Seat 4: itsknguyen (20165 in chips)
    Seat 5: pimpin1250 (5155 in chips)
    Seat 6: AlwaysGoBig9 (18238 in chips)
    Seat 7: klingerius (10180 in chips)
    Seat 8: heighten111 (9877 in chips)
    Seat 9: Mikedagreat1 (7470 in chips)
    STYLISH PLAY: posts the ante 15
    rcrane082985: posts the ante 15
    VUK DJ: posts the ante 15
    itsknguyen: posts the ante 15
    pimpin1250: posts the ante 15
    AlwaysGoBig9: posts the ante 15
    klingerius: posts the ante 15
    heighten111: posts the ante 15
    Mikedagreat1: posts the ante 15
    itsknguyen: posts small blind 60
    pimpin1250: posts big blind 120
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to AlwaysGoBig9 [Jh Js]
    AlwaysGoBig9: raises 220 to 340
    klingerius: folds
    heighten111: folds
    Mikedagreat1: folds
    STYLISH PLAY: calls 340
    rcrane082985: calls 340
    VUK DJ: calls 340
    itsknguyen: folds
    pimpin1250: folds
    *** FLOP *** [9c 3h 9h]
    AlwaysGoBig9: checks
    STYLISH PLAY: checks
    rcrane082985: bets 1125
    VUK DJ: folds
    AlwaysGoBig9: calls 1125
    STYLISH PLAY: folds
    *** TURN *** [9c 3h 9h] [3d]
    AlwaysGoBig9: checks
    rcrane082985: bets 1920
    AlwaysGoBig9: calls 1920
    *** RIVER *** [9c 3h 9h 3d] [5s]
    AlwaysGoBig9: checks
    rcrane082985: bets 9323 and is all-in
    AlwaysGoBig9: ?????

    Villain is the most aggressive/competent player at the table. He can play a lot of hands in position. I OPR'ed him and he had 1.1million in prizes and 600k in profit.

    I had an extremly solid image at the table. I played a decent amount of pots and won every 1 with only 1 showdown. I was playing hands tricky so my betting patterns would have appeared weird to people. Also, the 1 hand I played to showdown, i bet called a raise on the turn with TopTop and nut flush draw. The villain checked his bluff behind on the river.

    FWIW, The villain here snap bet 1025 behind on the flop.
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    Sep 6th, 2010 (9/6/2010 1:17am) in reply to Steve Murkle

    That's totally weird. Unless he was also being tricky, I can't imagine he flats AA-QQ here with the small bets, already 1 call, and so many people to act behind. I suppose he would bet the 9 here on the flop with so many people in the hand and the heart draw out there. If he just has some other pair in his hand, he sure is playing it pretty hard. I guess he might with a mid pair trying to get you to fold something like 44-88, but if you check/called the flop and turn, I can't believe he would think you'd fold the river with that board. And I suppose you can't rule out a couple of big hearts here. With that said, I think it has to be a call. If he has a 9 he has a 9. You're ahead of everything else that I believe he would be holding.
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    Sep 6th, 2010 (9/6/2010 2:12am) in reply to Ace10Suted

    i got overbet on 3 different times today. they always had it =(

    A3s in his range?
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    Sep 6th, 2010 (9/6/2010 4:55am) in reply to JasonBDizzle

     
    Originally Posted by JasonBDizzle View Post

    i got overbet on 3 different times today. they always had it =(

    A3s in his range?

    I was thinking A9ss
     
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    Sep 6th, 2010 (9/6/2010 7:51am) in reply to bonflizubi

    As played I'd say that there's a <1% chance you're good.
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    Sep 6th, 2010 (9/6/2010 7:59am) in reply to Ace10Suted

     
    Originally Posted by Ace10Suted View Post

    That's totally weird. Unless he was also being tricky, I can't imagine he flats AA-QQ here with the small bets, already 1 call, and so many people to act behind. I suppose he would bet the 9 here on the flop with so many people in the hand and the heart draw out there. If he just has some other pair in his hand, he sure is playing it pretty hard. I guess he might with a mid pair trying to get you to fold something like 44-88, but if you check/called the flop and turn, I can't believe he would think you'd fold the river with that board. And I suppose you can't rule out a couple of big hearts here. With that said, I think it has to be a call. If he has a 9 he has a 9. You're ahead of everything else that I believe he would be holding.

    Disagree..you are NOT ahed of everything else, he could more than likely have either the 9 (likely), AA, the 3 (also likely) or perhaps a missed flush draw/mid PP. I would cut my losses and fold, not a good spot.
     
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    Sep 6th, 2010 (9/6/2010 8:29am) in reply to Zonnywhoop

    Really!? I still think you basically throw AA out of his range because of the stage of the tourney and number of people to act behind. How many hands does he have here with a 3 or a 9. The 3 is basically only A3ss....the 9 could be a T9, 98, J9ss kind of hand...but there are so few. You're ahead of every pair he has here. He does not have AA-QQ. I agree that he's showing so massive strength here....but I disagree that he has it 99% of the time here. If he's competent he knows there are a ton of hands you fold here, especially if you are an unknown to him in one of the first WCOOP events.
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    Sep 6th, 2010 (9/6/2010 9:09am) in reply to Ace10Suted

    It just makes so little sense to bluff a random on all 3 streets half an hour into a 10k player tourn. In rcranes shoes, the guy has called flop and turn, if he has a draw, he's folding to any sized bet, so why shove? The 5 does nothing to the board, so crane is probably going to assume that OPs whole value range is calling a lot of the time there. These two factors make it so much more likely that it's a value line. Randoms don't hero call enough to be shooting for thin value here, so I just can't see what JJ is beating.
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    Sep 6th, 2010 (9/6/2010 10:57am) in reply to m_hawk_1

    meh i call
     
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    Sep 6th, 2010 (9/6/2010 5:23pm) in reply to m_hawk_1

     
    Originally Posted by m_hawk_1 View Post

    It just makes so little sense to bluff a random on all 3 streets half an hour into a 10k player tourn. In rcranes shoes, the guy has called flop and turn, if he has a draw, he's folding to any sized bet, so why shove? The 5 does nothing to the board, so crane is probably going to assume that OPs whole value range is calling a lot of the time there. These two factors make it so much more likely that it's a value line. Randoms don't hero call enough to be shooting for thin value here, so I just can't see what JJ is beating.

    Rcranes is obviously thinking, and he knows 100% that I am thinking (we have had friendly banter in the chat). Is it possible that he shoves bluffs because of the reasons stated above? Also, he never ever has QQ-AA here from watching him play, he is always 3 betting them.

     
    Originally Posted by elgordo420 View Post

    meh i call

    why though? :)
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