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was this a bad call?

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  1. MetalGod MetalGod is offline

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    Jan 30th, 2010 (1/30/2010 7:21pm)

    Realistically, I believed a race was my best case scenario. If I win the hand, I'm somewhere in the top 5 and if I lose, I still have the lead at the table by a slim margin. I am risking a quarter of my stack as well which I don't like. Sadly, my instincts were saying fold, but I made a stubborn call. I guess thinking "play to win" made me want to gamble, but I like to pick better spots to make big chip commitments. I usually feel conflicted about making these decisions. I play sngs a lot more than multis so I'm not as accustomed to playing with deeper stacks. Just so everyone knows, I did not post this to be results oriented...I probably would have posted this hand regardless of the outcome.

    pokerstars Game #38987270666: Tournament #281110676, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (500/1000) - 2010/01/30 20:08:38 ET
    Table '281110676 277' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: TraktorzBrki (73962 in chips)
    Seat 2: suckoutordie (20875 in chips)
    Seat 3: MetalGod666 (102614 in chips)
    Seat 4: cornout (25620 in chips)
    Seat 5: Gimmidaloot7 (54116 in chips)
    Seat 6: TX_Player (17098 in chips)
    Seat 7: razyn_kayn (36668 in chips)
    Seat 9: micsveDK (16813 in chips)
    TraktorzBrki: posts the ante 125
    suckoutordie: posts the ante 125
    MetalGod666: posts the ante 125
    cornout: posts the ante 125
    Gimmidaloot7: posts the ante 125
    TX_Player: posts the ante 125
    razyn_kayn: posts the ante 125
    micsveDK: posts the ante 125
    micsveDK: posts small blind 500
    TraktorzBrki: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to MetalGod666 [Kc Ad]
    suckoutordie: folds
    MetalGod666: raises 2000 to 3000
    cornout: raises 22495 to 25495 and is all-in
    Gimmidaloot7: folds
    hunter7819 is connected
    TX_Player: folds
    razyn_kayn: folds
    micsveDK: folds
    TraktorzBrki: folds
    MetalGod666: calls 22495
    *** FLOP *** [8h 7c Jh]
    *** TURN *** [8h 7c Jh] [Qh]
    *** RIVER *** [8h 7c Jh Qh] [3h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    MetalGod666: shows [Kc Ad] (high card Ace)
    cornout: shows [Ah As] (a flush, Ace high)
    cornout collected 53490 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 53490 | Rake 0
    Board [8h 7c Jh Qh 3h]
    Seat 1: TraktorzBrki (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: suckoutordie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: MetalGod666 showed [Kc Ad] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 4: cornout showed [Ah As] and won (53490) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 5: Gimmidaloot7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: TX_Player folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: razyn_kayn (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: micsveDK (small blind) folded before Flop
  2. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Jan 30th, 2010 (1/30/2010 10:13pm) in reply to MetalGod

    The standardest of standard calls. Unlucky.
     
  3. redfan73 redfan73 is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2010 (1/31/2010 3:42am) in reply to MetalGod

    This isn't really a standard call unless you know this guy has been jamming the pot with worse hands than AK. If you have no reads or you have only seen this play with premium hole cards, this is a standard fold.

    Yeah , you have him covered by leaps and bounds but do you really want to get into AT BEST a flip to possibly get him closer to your stack size?

    I would have mucked this. In a live game, I would have folded face up and said something to the effect of, "Nice job maximizing your return with pocket Aces." or "WOW, are you scared to play postflop with the best starting hand possible?"

    Most players do not know how to play the middle/late stages of MTT's. They see their stack and say to themselves..........."Oh No, I only have 25 bets left" or "I'm only M7" so they shove AA, KK and AK preflop hoping to reel one in. They are afraid to commit 20-30% of their chips because the flop could make them hesitant to put the rest in.

    Imagine having AA in the hole. Player X raises. You min-reraise preflop and he calls. The flop comes KK7 and you are first to act. You lead and your opp shoves...........This is where we separate the good players from the bad. A good player will know when to lay down AA. The preflop shover does not have the ability to fold AA after the flop so he is just going to put it in the middle preflop and hope for the best rather than play actual poker.

    These players do not realize that their stack of 20-25 bets is probably just barely below average at this stage of the tournament. Average is good. Get deep in another MTT. Say 3000 people and then check the average stack with 200 left. You will see that most of the remaining players are well below average. A much smaller percentage actually have more than average at this stage. The key to playing the later stages of MTT's is knowing the relativity of your stack to those of the remaining players.
  4. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Jan 31st, 2010 (1/31/2010 9:26am) in reply to redfan73

    In a $5 MTT, his range is SOOOOO much bigger than KK+ that it's not even funny. It's probably closer to {AJ+, 66+}, and that's your average $5 player. There are players who are probably closer to {KQ, A6+, 22+}.

    With the equity in the pot, if I know I have a coin flip...how is this NOT a no-brainer call?
     
  5. puffy66 puffy66 is offline

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    Jan 31st, 2010 (1/31/2010 1:26pm) in reply to MetalGod

    Of course it's not a bad call. It's not like Villian is 4B shoving over another player's raise. For that amount of your stack it's not even worth posting, you don't even have your tournament life on the line here. Plays like this are the last thing most players need to be worried about.

    I've been watching training videos of good players and the one thing I've noticed is that superstition or 'feel' plays like laying down AK to a single raise is something they just don't do.

    When their AK runs into AA's it's just gg. Move on.
  6. DAngryBeaver DAngryBeaver is offline

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    Feb 2nd, 2010 (2/2/2010 1:01am) in reply to MetalGod

    I call almost every time here. In a $5 mtt his range is pretty big. It is probably going to be a flip more times than not, i see hands like 1010 here often. However AQ and AJ are also very possible. Unless you have a read on him and he only plays monsters, I think this is an easy call.
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