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  1. kaiserblad kaiserblad is offline

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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 10:26pm)

    Had no read on the shover.

    pokerstars Game #6795429355: Tournament #34146767, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/10/27 - 22:22:35 (ET)
    Table '34146767 79' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: Ikavalko (2135 in chips)
    Seat 2: jhizzle24 (1430 in chips)
    Seat 3: tails351 (4005 in chips)
    Seat 4: arobinson11 (1670 in chips)
    Seat 5: mign (2150 in chips)
    Seat 6: nojoke7 (1950 in chips)
    Seat 7: kaiserblad (1710 in chips)
    Seat 8: OzzWizzard (1200 in chips)
    Seat 9: I)umbledore (820 in chips)
    arobinson11: posts small blind 15
    mign: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to kaiserblad [Qc Kh]
    nojoke7: folds
    kaiserblad: raises 60 to 90
    OzzWizzard: folds
    I)umbledore: raises 730 to 820 and is all-in
    Ikavalko: folds
    jhizzle24: folds
    tails351: folds
    arobinson11: folds
    mign: folds
    kaiserblad: calls 730
    *** FLOP *** [4h 5c Qs]
    *** TURN *** [4h 5c Qs] [Kd]
    *** RIVER *** [4h 5c Qs Kd] [Qh]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    kaiserblad: shows [Qc Kh] (a full house, Queens full of Kings)
    I)umbledore: shows [8d 8c] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
    kaiserblad collected 1685 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1685 | Rake 0
    Board [4h 5c Qs Kd Qh]
    Seat 1: Ikavalko folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: jhizzle24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: tails351 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: arobinson11 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: mign (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: nojoke7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: kaiserblad showed [Qc Kh] and won (1685) with a full house, Queens full of Kings
    Seat 8: OzzWizzard folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: I)umbledore showed [8d 8c] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
  2. Bockcara Bockcara is offline

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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 10:29pm) in reply to kaiserblad

    Common play with AK or AQ, way too good of a chance you were dominated. I'm not calling here often...
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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 10:31pm) in reply to Bockcara

    i think thats a terrible call
     
  4. IanPfister IanPfister is offline

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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 10:34pm) in reply to kaiserblad

    Well it is for 1/2 of your chips, so its a pretty loose call, but if you gotta good read on this player, from watching him & what he bets and what he shows, and you think your at worst a coin flip & wanna gamble then sweet.

    Im in the same tourny with about 3K ....gl

    -Prolifik
  5. kaiserblad kaiserblad is offline

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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 10:36pm) in reply to IanPfister

    had no read and not a call i make very often lucky that time i guess
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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 10:37pm) in reply to kaiserblad

    horrible play unless this is a rebuy..then I might understand
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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 10:46pm) in reply to kaiserblad

    Im guessing you were berated in the chatbox after you made this call and you want to see if we feel the same way...well, yeah, thats a horrible call.
     
  8. kaiserblad kaiserblad is offline

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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 10:46pm) in reply to sandler1860

    No, not so much.
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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 10:50pm) in reply to kaiserblad

    Im going to be unoriginal. I can not see this being a good call so early in a tournament if ever.
  10. Joey_Pistone Joey_Pistone is offline

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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 10:50pm) in reply to Bockcara

    I love the call... In that situation I would probably put him on A6 at best and most likely a hand like K3 - 97 suited... A gutsy play, not a lot of these NEWBS have the stones to call there. It's obvious you see the game at a deeper level than most.. gl with the tourney and keep on keeping on
  11. kaiserblad kaiserblad is offline

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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 10:53pm) in reply to Joey_Pistone

    well at least you have a sense of humor, considering how rigged online poker is i knew i would suck out so i was gold
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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 10:55pm) in reply to Admiral

    Kaiser-The reason this isnt a good call is because you said at best you are a coin flip. He has A2, you are a small dog. Considering this, its most likely not a great play considering there are so many hands he can have that have you beat, and if you think he has a low pocket pair, which he may and did, other hands that he may have making this play pretty much all have you beat. I occasionally make this play with hands like AK and AQ all the time. Cause I know people have trouble laying down their hands to overbets.

    I think the call isnt very smart, considering you are AT BEST a coinflip. This is pretty much like calling a large allin with 5s. Like mike the mouth said, He was at a table with some asian dude, and the asian dude was steaming, mike raises it from the button with AQ the asian guy reriased and mike shoved in and the guy said I call 50k more with two 5s. Which is usually not a good play considering he is not really favored over anything and could very well be drawing to two outs.

    sturge
  13. kaiserblad kaiserblad is offline

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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 11:00pm) in reply to sturgeball

    sounds like a play i would make with 55 also, hmmm well time to take a closer look at my play.
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  14. igggy! igggy! is offline

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    Oct 27th, 2006 (10/27/2006 11:01pm) in reply to sturgeball

    I don't want to flame you, everyone has the right to play their own way and make their own decision. But this is a terrible call on many levels. In tournament play, it's optimal to find good spots to put your chips in, that was a terrible spot. I call there with TT - AK, nothing less.
  15. Camz Camz is offline

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    Oct 28th, 2006 (10/28/2006 2:04am) in reply to igggy!

    Unless you're being sarcastic, you should not be playing poker if you really have to ask that question. 1710 chips at 15/30 and you call 730 more with KQo...unless you really like flipping coins(or hoping to flip coins) and putting your money in with the worst hand, then this is a horrible call on so many levels, in my opinion. Shortstack, then maybe you could call here, but it's 15/30, come on, man.
  16. SerlinSteak19 SerlinSteak19 is offline

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    Oct 28th, 2006 (10/28/2006 3:15am) in reply to kaiserblad

    If your approach in mtts is to accumulate chips early by just throwing your chips in and hoping the cards fall your way then the call is fine. At worst you get knocked back down to 900 and the guy has probably been playing a lot of pots poorly if he has lost half his stack by the second level so he doesn't necessarily have you dominated. It was a terrible push by him to put in 820 with 120 in the pot anyway.
  17. Hodge05 Hodge05 is offline

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    Oct 28th, 2006 (10/28/2006 3:50am) in reply to kaiserblad

    Bad Call
  18. ZEKAgrinder ZEKAgrinder is offline

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    Oct 28th, 2006 (10/28/2006 4:10am) in reply to Hodge05

    Unless you have a stellar read on this player (which i assume you don't since you posted this) then this is a bad call. Most likely holdings for him are probably big aces and mid to large pocket pairs. Its very unlikely that he'd shove with anything you would be a favorite over. Definately not an "obv. coin flip", so I would wait for a better spot.
     
  19. romy99 romy99 is offline

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    Oct 28th, 2006 (10/28/2006 6:16am) in reply to ZEKAgrinder

    Joey_Pistone is now the stupidest person on this site, Terrible call...
     
  20. nakedcowboy nakedcowboy is offline

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    Oct 28th, 2006 (10/28/2006 11:47am) in reply to romy99

    Hey stop bullying Joey, he gets enuff of that at college or high school.Whichever one he finally decides that hes in.
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