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Bad deal? Someone help me out and tell me how to chop...

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  1. kokolore$ kokolore$ is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 2:56am)

    Just finished stars $27,50 25k GTD

    <table id="post16375068" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="7" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr valign="top"><td id="td_post_16375068">chopped 3-way. was ridic tired (9:45AM here). think was a bad chop right?

    Blinds: 25,000 / 50,000

    ME: 410,057 Chips - $3817
    Player 1: 3,062,611 - $5350
    Player 2: 789,832 - $4111

    Payout without deal:

    1. $5824
    2. $4260
    3. $3195
    </td></tr><tr><td></td><td align="right"> </td></tr></tbody></table>
  2. Projekt420 Projekt420 is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 2:58am) in reply to kokolore$

    Looks perfectly fine to me. I'd say player 1 got fucked.
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 3:00am) in reply to kokolore$

    Cool "Edit" button tho
  4. kokolore$ kokolore$ is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 3:04am) in reply to RATE615

    what would ya guys propose? What deal would look fair to all 3 players ? Is there a program where I can run the numbers myself, in a fair way? I know that PS numbers always favors the bigstack.
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 3:08am) in reply to kokolore$

    If you asked for a chip chop then that's the "fairest" way to do it.
     
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 3:09am) in reply to kokolore$

    looks ok with me.. by how much do you think you are getting screwed?
  7. kokolore$ kokolore$ is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 3:19am) in reply to boondock11

    don't really know. that's why I'm asking ya guys
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 3:26am) in reply to kokolore$

    first i like to use a clean 20d bill lay across the top and crush left to right in a smooth motion with a bic lighter. then you can use a credit card to chop if no razor but static may make it cling in which case you will have to lick it off for a good nummie
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 3:53am) in reply to pokerchief29

    I think you got like $240 less than you are supposed to according to a chip chop
     
  10. kokolore$ kokolore$ is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 3:56am) in reply to Leet8s

     
    Originally Posted by Leet8s View Post

    I think you got like $240 less than you are supposed to according to a chip chop

    could u explain why and show me the math ?
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  11. Leet8s Leet8s is offline usausausausausa

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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 4:00am) in reply to kokolore$

     
    Originally Posted by kokolore$ View Post

    could u explain why and show me the math ?

    Yea, the math is I did it wrong initially :/. Looks like you got a good deal. A chip chop I think gives you $3550 but you got $4111 so you did good
     
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 4:12am) in reply to kokolore$

    Player 1 is mentally retarded. /thread
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 4:21am) in reply to jcpeace

    This may be a useful tool to help with any chop calculations in future:

    http://www.texasholdem-poker.com/payout-chop-calculator
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 7:10am) in reply to kokolore$

    http://www.poker-tools-online.com/icm.html

    <TABLE border=1><TBODY><TR><TH>Player</TH><TH>Chips</TH><TH>Prob 1st</TH><TH>Prob 2nd</TH><TH>Prob 3rd</TH><TH>Equity</TH></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD>Player 1
    </TD><TD>3062611</TD><TD>0.7185</TD><TD>0.2399</TD><TD>0.0416</TD><TD>$5339.43</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD>Player 2
    </TD><TD>789832</TD><TD>0.1853</TD><TD>0.4927</TD><TD>0.3220</TD><TD>$4206.85</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD>Player 3
    </TD><TD>410057</TD><TD>0.0962</TD><TD>0.2674</TD><TD>0.6364</TD><TD>$3732.71</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    You did fine, especially if the big stack knows how to use leverage!

    You got a nice deal.
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 9:44am) in reply to Jennifear

    so for future deal-discussions, we like to chop by chip counts as a big stack and by icm as a shortstack?
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 9:50am) in reply to kokolore$

    or u could of shoved ur 9bb stack and get called with junk by big stack and lose and get 700less then u did..wow lol good chop...
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 10:36am) in reply to pokerchief29

     
    Originally Posted by pokerchief29 View Post

    first i like to use a clean 20d bill lay across the top and crush left to right in a smooth motion with a bic lighter. then you can use a credit card to chop if no razor but static may make it cling in which case you will have to lick it off for a good nummie

    this
     
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 2:13pm) in reply to kokolore$

    WHAT ?????LOL BRO THAT WAS A GREAT GREAT DEAL U GOT UR SELF 600 HUNDREDS XTRA , SO NO IT WAS A GREAT DEAL .
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 2:17pm) in reply to pokerchief29

     
    Originally Posted by pokerchief29 View Post

    first i like to use a clean 20d bill lay across the top and crush left to right in a smooth motion with a bic lighter. then you can use a credit card to chop if no razor but static may make it cling in which case you will have to lick it off for a good nummie

    hahahaha vwp
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 2:18pm) in reply to elnino1217

     
    Originally Posted by elnino1217 View Post

    WHAT ?????LOL BRO THAT WAS A GREAT GREAT DEAL U GOT UR SELF 600 HUNDREDS XTRA , SO NO IT WAS A GREAT DEAL .

    EXTREMMMMEE!!!!
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 2:21pm) in reply to kokolore$

    i suppose by the numbers i guess ur deal was fine, but idk it might just be me, or the fact that im not taking into consideration that the money means something to u. but im never taking an extra $623 and passing on the 2k u could get if u pull out a win. i mean, even if u go out now, ur gonna lose $623 but if u were to even come in 2nd u would get 443 more than the chop.

    like i said, it might just be me, and the $623 might mean more to u than i, but i would never take this deal for that small amount of money.
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 2:23pm) in reply to jcpeace

     
    Originally Posted by jcpeace View Post

    Player 1 is mentally retarded. /thread

    I think he is watching these.
     
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 3:12pm) in reply to kokolore$

     
    Originally Posted by kokolore$ View Post

    so for future deal-discussions, we like to chop by chip counts as a big stack and by icm as a shortstack?

    you had about %10 of the chips in play and %10 of the prize pool would have been $1327.90. (@ work so I think thats right.)

    A couple of other things you would want to adjust for are skill edge and BR size. If you see a guy with 2K in lifetime cashes and your chopping 20K theres a good chance you can squeeze him because at this point the money will matter much more to him than you. should also be using this in play, if your overly aggressive and he's timid keep pushing the deal, eventually he will take less. I also like to have an idea of how\what to chop, then make an offer with a time limit and stick to it. extra pressure ftw.
     
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 6:07pm) in reply to Projekt420

     
    Originally Posted by Projekt420 View Post


    Looks perfectly fine to me. I'd say player 1 got fucked.

    This is how I feel.
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 7:51pm) in reply to jshark4

     
    Originally Posted by jshark4 View Post

    i suppose by the numbers i guess ur deal was fine, but idk it might just be me, or the fact that im not taking into consideration that the money means something to u. but im never taking an extra $623 and passing on the 2k u could get if u pull out a win. i mean, even if u go out now, ur gonna lose $623 but if u were to even come in 2nd u would get 443 more than the chop.

    like i said, it might just be me, and the $623 might mean more to u than i, but i would never take this deal for that small amount of money.

    This is exactly why I was thinking bout not to make a deal actually. I mean i only had 8 BB and the other guy had only smthing ard 16 BB. And with these high blinds and antes everything can happen. I mean i only get more than $650 than 3rd place but if we keep playing i've a shot for 2,000 more.
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    Jan 26th, 2010 (1/26/2010 7:59pm) in reply to kokolore$

    Is there anyone at the higher levels that will not chop a tourney no matter what?
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