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  1. skeenobeener skeenobeener is offline

    Hunstanton
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    Dec 5th, 2007 (12/5/2007 2:33pm)

    <SPAN class=983361102-05122007>Just been having a look back at a $5.50 turbo I played the other day. This tourney is obv a crapshoot but are these bad folds? On reflection I'm thinking they probably are, hand one do you push to isolate and take chances or fold as played<SPAN class=508532002-05122007>, with the raiser being so short his range is likely to be any pair, two high cards, ace rag, or is folding as played the better option.</SPAN> Hand two I'm still meh ab<SPAN class=508532002-05122007>out, mind I guess during the game I was factoring in the BB into the equation aswell who had what 35% of his stack in the hand already and should pretty much be calling any two cards? </SPAN><SPAN class=508532002-05122007> The blinds alone at this stage though are crazy so 77 is likely to be a pretty decent shot vs a blind steal.</SPAN></SPAN>

    <SPAN class=983361102-05122007>pokerstars Game #13586182574: Tournament #68053406, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2007/12/01 - 15:39:25 (ET)
    Table '68053406 221' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: shortyyy83 (3010 in chips)
    Seat 2: geronimo_ch (4490 in chips)
    Seat 3: JonnyKahn (2150 in chips)
    Seat 4: Twobetter (4715 in chips)
    Seat 5: calbarro (5815 in chips)
    Seat 6: savay (12385 in chips)
    Seat 7: Draeger (4605 in chips)
    Seat 8: thedjjinn (1770 in chips)
    Seat 9: skeenobeener (4460 in chips)
    shortyyy83: posts the ante 25
    geronimo_ch: posts the ante 25
    JonnyKahn: posts the ante 25
    Twobetter: posts the ante 25
    calbarro: posts the ante 25
    savay: posts the ante 25
    Draeger: posts the ante 25
    thedjjinn: posts the ante 25
    skeenobeener: posts the ante 25
    Twobetter: posts small blind 150
    calbarro: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to skeenobeener [Ks Td]
    savay: folds
    Draeger: folds
    thedjjinn: raises 1445 to 1745 and is all-in
    skeenobeener: folds
    shortyyy83: folds
    geronimo_ch: folds
    JonnyKahn: folds
    Twobetter: folds
    calbarro: folds
    thedjjinn collected 975 from pot
    thedjjinn: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 975 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: shortyyy83 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: geronimo_ch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: JonnyKahn (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Twobetter (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: calbarro (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: savay folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Draeger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: thedjjinn collected (975)
    Seat 9: skeenobeener folded before Flop (didn't bet)</SPAN>

    <SPAN class=983361102-05122007>
    PokerStars Game #13587157743: Tournament #68053406, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2007/12/01 - 16:25:53 (ET)
    Table '68053406 193' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: thedevil0677 (14971 in chips)
    Seat 2: $€PPI (16760 in chips)
    Seat 3: JOHN0607 (16690 in chips)
    Seat 4: The Clown is (38573 in chips)
    Seat 5: chugs (20724 in chips)
    Seat 6: skeenobeener (46042 in chips)
    Seat 7: merit79 (31493 in chips)
    Seat 8: PULSAR FAB (11616 in chips)
    Seat 9: Coffegeir (26890 in chips)
    thedevil0677: posts the ante 200
    $€PPI: posts the ante 200
    JOHN0607: posts the ante 200
    The Clown is: posts the ante 200
    chugs: posts the ante 200
    skeenobeener: posts the ante 200
    merit79: posts the ante 200
    PULSAR FAB: posts the ante 200
    Coffegeir: posts the ante 200
    merit79: posts small blind 2000
    PULSAR FAB: posts big blind 4000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to skeenobeener [7s 7c]
    Coffegeir: folds
    thedevil0677: folds
    $€PPI: folds
    JOHN0607: raises 12490 to 16490 and is all-in
    The Clown is: folds
    chugs: folds
    skeenobeener: folds
    merit79: folds
    PULSAR FAB: folds
    JOHN0607 collected 11800 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 11800 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: thedevil0677 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: $€PPI folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: JOHN0607 collected (11800)
    Seat 4: The Clown is folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: chugs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: skeenobeener (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: merit79 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: PULSAR FAB (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: Coffegeir folded before Flop (didn't bet)</SPAN>
  2. Sane Man Sane Man is offline

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    Dec 5th, 2007 (12/5/2007 2:36pm) in reply to skeenobeener

    The first ones not. The second one probably is.
  3. TheMayor TheMayor is offline

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    Dec 5th, 2007 (12/5/2007 2:43pm) in reply to Sane Man

    Yeah the first one is definitely fine to fold. Even if you are ahead of the pushers range, which you may be, there are too many players behind you to put in a lot of chips with KT imo.

    Second one is interesting. I think you're definitely ahead of the shorties range which means you usually should reraise to isolate since there are only two players behind you. Especially since the BB is practically pot committed just from his blind to calling with any two ( i have no idea what reasons made him fold here) which is a range you obviously have crushed, you can win a really huge pot.
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