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bad laydown with KK?

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  1. Fear Le55 Fear Le55 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 1:39am)

    having him just flat call my reraise pre makes me think he has a middle pair. and when i lead out big on the flop, he goes over the top, makes me think he has a set. is the a bad fold or good read.

    pokerstars Game #19776663183: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/08/20 - 23:33:52 (ET)
    Table 'Edasich III' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: bap2086 ($130.05 in chips)
    Seat 2: GREEN1SPIDER ($24.25 in chips)
    Seat 3: st1kxx ($54.80 in chips)
    Seat 4: TombRaider ($45.25 in chips)
    Seat 5: Fear Le55 ($83.90 in chips)
    Seat 6: NEVAK ($50.55 in chips)
    TombRaider: posts small blind $0.25
    Fear Le55: posts big blind $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Fear Le55 [Kh Ks]
    NEVAK: raises $1.50 to $2
    bap2086: folds
    GREEN1SPIDER: folds
    st1kxx: folds
    TombRaider: folds
    Fear Le55: raises $5 to $7
    NEVAK: calls $5
    *** FLOP *** [7h Td 8h]
    Fear Le55: bets $11
    NEVAK: raises $32.55 to $43.55 and is all-in
    Fear Le55 has timed out
    Fear Le55: folds
    Uncalled bet ($32.55) returned to NEVAK
    Fear Le55 is sitting out
    Fear Le55 has returned
    NEVAK collected $34.50 from pot
    NEVAK: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $36.25 | Rake $1.75
    Board [7h Td 8h]
    Seat 1: bap2086 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: GREEN1SPIDER folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: st1kxx (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: TombRaider (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: Fear Le55 (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: NEVAK collected ($34.50)
  2. gguk2008 gguk2008 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 1:47am) in reply to Fear Le55

    Tough one.

    So he flat-calls a 3-bet in position, nothing new there. What does the villain do this with? If he's flat-calling because he knows he has position on you, AA makes a good move here to flat-call, and get it in no matter what the flop.

    If he's flat-calling because he wants to see a flop and get away if an Ace comes, then he has KK- (maybe) 99. TT is more likely the lower limit. A-Ks isn't impossible. He'd have to have exactly A-K of hearts though.

    He knows you have something, you 3 bet from the BB, bet out when first to act on the flop and made a pretty strong bet. You're losing to AA, 77, 88 and TT as feasible hands. I can't see him having a straight. If he has KJ of hearts he's played this horribly.

    I'd edge towards a call, but think you made a prudent lay down. Did you have no reads on the guy at all?
  3. Fear Le55 Fear Le55 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 2:12am) in reply to gguk2008

    no reads, this is like one of the 1st 5hands i seen him play. plus hes multi tabling 4 other cash games.
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  4. threebanger threebanger is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 7:59am) in reply to Fear Le55

     
    Originally Posted by Fear Le55 View Post

    no reads, this is like one of the 1st 5hands i seen him play. plus hes multi tabling 4 other cash games.

    How do you happen to know this?
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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 8:58am) in reply to Fear Le55

    i'm calling here, i think you'll see JJ and QQ here more then anything else.
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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 9:13am) in reply to Fear Le55

    Tough spot without reads. JJ or QQ would likely play this the same way. He's betting nearly twice the size of the pot, which feels scared to me. I don't think he'd bet so big if he had a set. From what I've seen at these limits, people really like slow-playing monsters. Of course, maybe he figures since a standard raise would cost him over half his stack he'll just get it all in now rather than be sneaky.

    I'd have probably called and paid him off if beat. For some reason I don't believe you're behind there.
  7. Fear Le55 Fear Le55 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 11:09am) in reply to cassettecounty

    i know hes multi tabling cus i searched him up.
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  8. MyNutsHurt MyNutsHurt is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 12:22pm) in reply to Fear Le55

    I dont understand why you didnt repush pre? as played what kind of flop were you expecting. this looks like a money maker to me. I think it was a bad fold
  9. Fear Le55 Fear Le55 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 4:03pm) in reply to MyNutsHurt

    i reraised preflop, wat do u mean repush?? i had KK
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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 9:31pm) in reply to Fear Le55

    I think a call is in order here. QQ/JJ will take this line, and hands like ATs, KTs, 99 and possibly even underpairs will make this move if they don't believe you've connected with this flop. Flush draws may make this bet as a semi-bluff, too. Of course, if you know the villain to be nitty postflop you can lay it down here, but vs. a random I'm calling
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    Aug 22nd, 2008 (8/22/2008 2:48am) in reply to Lord Supremo

    Snap call and hold against JJ/QQ or combo draw/flush draw.
     
  12. dave4112 dave4112 is offline

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    Aug 22nd, 2008 (8/22/2008 3:46am) in reply to Fear Le55

    Snap calling all day there. If he played AA or a set like that then you have to pay it off. Doubt he had anything other than top pair or JJ/QQ.
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    Aug 22nd, 2008 (8/22/2008 12:35pm) in reply to Fear Le55

    def a toughie. with no reads assuming villain is competent, the only hands i see him pushing here are 77, 88, 99, TT, JJ, QQ, AA, and ThXh, AhJh, mayyyyybe something like QhJh. youre about a coinflip vs. that range. very read dependent here. that said, I think I stack off here.
     
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