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Was this a bad play or just a bad result?

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  1. Suicydal Suicydal is offline

    Washington, MI
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    Apr 16th, 2008 (4/16/2008 10:02am)

    I play mostly cash games with a tournament here and there. I made this play last night and would like some feedback on whether or not it was a good spot for this move. My image at this table was rock tight if anyone was paying attention as I had been card dead for most of the tournament. Thanks for the help all!!

    p.s. What do you think of his call?

    p.p.s. Apparently he went on to win the tournament. Congrats and glad I could help... lol
    Full Tilt Poker Game #6051065217: $35,000 Guarantee (45357599), Table 9 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:47:05 ET - 2008/04/15
    Seat 1: TDelano (7,270)
    Seat 2: BONCELA (20,001)
    Seat 3: tdtdtdtd (9,575)
    Seat 4: CountDeMonet (13,370)
    Seat 5: TClermont (25,601)
    Seat 6: CrazyZachary (12,338)
    Seat 7: rich 81485 (683)
    Seat 8: briguy1413 (13,101)
    Seat 9: PleaseChaseMe (4,917)
    TDelano antes 50
    BONCELA antes 50
    tdtdtdtd antes 50
    CountDeMonet antes 50
    TClermont antes 50
    CrazyZachary antes 50
    rich 81485 antes 50
    briguy1413 antes 50
    PleaseChaseMe antes 50
    PleaseChaseMe posts the small blind of 200
    TDelano posts the big blind of 400
    The button is in seat #8
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to PleaseChaseMe [Ac 4c]
    BONCELA folds
    tdtdtdtd folds
    CountDeMonet folds
    TClermont folds
    CrazyZachary raises to 899
    rich 81485 has 15 seconds left to act
    rich 81485 folds
    briguy1413 folds
    PleaseChaseMe raises to 4,867, and is all in
    TDelano folds
    CrazyZachary calls 3,968
    PleaseChaseMe shows [Ac 4c]
    CrazyZachary shows [Ad Jh]
    *** FLOP *** [9h Ah Qs]
    *** TURN *** [9h Ah Qs] [2c]
    *** RIVER *** [9h Ah Qs 2c] [Jd]
    PleaseChaseMe shows a pair of Aces
    CrazyZachary shows two pair, Aces and Jacks
    CrazyZachary wins the pot (10,584) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
    PleaseChaseMe stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 10,584 | Rake 0
    Board: [9h Ah Qs 2c Jd]
    Seat 1: TDelano (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: BONCELA folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: tdtdtdtd folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: CountDeMonet folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: TClermont folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: CrazyZachary showed [Ad Jh] and won (10,584) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
    Seat 7: rich 81485 folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: briguy1413 (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: PleaseChaseMe (small blind) showed [Ac 4c] and lost with a pair of Aces
  2. phatlaer phatlaer is offline

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    Apr 16th, 2008 (4/16/2008 10:35am) in reply to Suicydal

    Well your M is slightly below 5, so it is a good time to make a move. The only problem I have is that I believe this is a $24+2 tournament, and usually in these people will make that call with a range of pretty much any pair, and aj+. Basically you aren't leaving yourself many spots where you are ahead if he calls, and with that large of a range, an early position raiser is going to call a pretty large amount of the time. Personally, I would have tried to pick a slightly better spot, but I can't fault you for making an aggressive play.
  3. bluefin bluefin is offline

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    Apr 16th, 2008 (4/16/2008 10:46am) in reply to Suicydal

    Given you chip stack and image, I don't think your play here was bad. The raiser did have fold equity, so he could of easily folded. If you had flatted, that would of been a bad play.

    Your play > villians play IMO
  4. Suicydal Suicydal is offline

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    Apr 16th, 2008 (4/16/2008 10:59am) in reply to phatlaer

    Was a $75 tournament and he was two off button, so mid-late pos, really. I was a little surprised he called w ajo but given his odds and the shot I am making a move I don't think I hate the call. I'm thinking maybe I should be calling in his spot more often, really. I usually fold in his situation...
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  5. andressoprano andressoprano is offline whaddya think of my game?

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    Apr 16th, 2008 (4/16/2008 11:06am) in reply to Suicydal

    It was a great spot, and a good enough hand to make a move with......In an unopened pot. He is not opening there with air, specially since there's a super short stack right in front of him, who's gonna move with any face card or SC, and a bigger stack than his on the button.

    So, Zachary's range there is killing your A4s, you need a lot more than that to shove IMO.

    Edit: Count on the fact that a good player ( and zachary is good) it's not gonna fold a shove from the second shortest stack at the table, after opening the pot with a raise.That would send a horrible message to the table. Which means that, even if the numbers say that you do have fold equity, in reality you do not: he's calling you there 100% of the time.
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  6. Willywoo Willywoo is offline

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    Apr 16th, 2008 (4/16/2008 11:24am) in reply to andressoprano

    "Well your M is slightly below 5..."

    How did you calculate this M? I think there is a big difference between 7.4 and below 5.

    I agree with Andressoprano. Good enough to shove with your position in an unopened pot. Not a good shove over the opener.
  7. jmarauder jmarauder is offline

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    Apr 16th, 2008 (4/16/2008 12:26pm) in reply to Willywoo

    9 * 50 ante = 450

    bb = 400

    sb = 200

    +__________

    1050 chips per round

    4.9k stack / ~1k round = M slightly under 5
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