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Is this a bad sign or a good sign in 6max NL?

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  1. MUPokerPlayer MUPokerPlayer is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 1:14am)

    I have recently begun playing more 6max NLHE. This graph looks a little odd to me. Am I being too aggressive? Is that possible? As you can see, there was a bit of a learning curve for me at the beginning, but I think I'm learning some things. This graph is while playing between 1 and 4 tables simultaneously, most commonly 2 tables.

  2. threeven threeven is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 1:17am) in reply to MUPokerPlayer

    I *think* thats normal for a good player
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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 1:17am) in reply to MUPokerPlayer

    looks like u could be being too aggressive, which can possibly be a good thing

    also looks like your calling down a little light or getting it in pre too light. not really sure.

    not 100% sure but that would be my guess
     
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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 1:19am) in reply to Deoxyribo

    also forgot to mention when i used to track my lines would be opposite, showdown line would be + and w/o sd line would be -, but that was a long time ago when i sucked and i dont keep track now (although i should)
     
  5. suitedaces1012 suitedaces1012 is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 1:22am) in reply to Deoxyribo

    I would think most of ur winnings should come from showdown winnings where as you're not trying to lose to much, break even, or be a little positive for non-showdown winnings. It looks like thats only for 13k hands though, so due to the sample size, graph isnt really too accurate.
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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 1:23am) in reply to suitedaces1012

     
    Originally Posted by suitedaces1012 View Post

    It looks like thats only for 13k hands though, so due to the sample size, graph isnt really too accurate.

    sure its not a huge sample size, but i think you can see a trend developing lol.
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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 1:24am) in reply to MUPokerPlayer

    This is a good sign. It's a LOT easier to plug leaks in showdown winnings.
     
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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 1:25am) in reply to BraveJayhawk

     
    Originally Posted by BraveJayhawk View Post

    It's a LOT easier to plug leaks in showdown winnings.

    feel free to elaborate :)
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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 2:03am) in reply to MUPokerPlayer

    Seems like you're a grade A bully ;). I think that explains some of the spots where you get it in bad. I have the classic TAG < line (SD up w/o down), would much rather have this.
     
  10. MUPokerPlayer MUPokerPlayer is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 11:58am) in reply to MUPokerPlayer

    any thoughts from the daytime people would be much appreciated.
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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 12:06pm) in reply to MUPokerPlayer

    add a few more value bets in there for showdown value on your big hands, aggressions good but still get some fish n chips, they love giving it away
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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 12:41pm) in reply to joeykukzMSU

    Positive solid green is a good sign obviously but somewhat meaningless over this many hands. The other lines don't indicate a good or bad sign. Some of the very best cash players have positive showdown winnings and negative non showdown winnings, some have what you have, and some have both positive. Cash games are really about making the best ev plays in each given situation to maximise the solid green line.
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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 12:54pm) in reply to MUPokerPlayer

     
    Originally Posted by MUPokerPlayer View Post

     
    Originally Posted by BraveJayhawk View Post

    It's a LOT easier to plug leaks in showdown winnings.

    feel free to elaborate :)

    Showdown winnings are closely intertwined with pot odds / implied odds for all in pre and on flop situations. You're playing better [at the moment albeit across a small sample] in the smaller pots and playing too over anxiously in the larger pots. The cause of this is necessarily getting all i pre with AK and with mediocre draws on the flop for example. Those things mistakes are much easier to plug than finding a way to plug leaks in the smaller pots in which your average hand strength is going to be significantly weaker AND your knowledge of your opponent's hand range is less [than if he was willing to play a larger pot earlier in the hand as in preflop or on the flop].
     
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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 12:56pm) in reply to MUPokerPlayer

    I just realized that you're an enemy :)
     
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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 1:16pm) in reply to BraveJayhawk

    A mortal enemy at that.
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    Apr 15th, 2009 (4/15/2009 2:11pm) in reply to BraveJayhawk

     
    Originally Posted by BraveJayhawk View Post

    I just realized that you're an enemy :)

    ^^^^This. I was like, wtf, I'm never giving any advice to a tiger. Except the old GFY, which is sound advice for a tiger :)

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    Apr 16th, 2009 (4/16/2009 2:40am) in reply to 13Jayhawk13

    hey, quick question. where did you get that graph, did you have to purchase some software? i am looking for a computer program that will track my cash games, not really anything for other players stats, vpip, af, etc. i dont want a program with that stuff, just something that tracks my play. any free ones? thanks guys.
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    Apr 16th, 2009 (4/16/2009 2:49am) in reply to 13Jayhawk13

     
    Originally Posted by 13Jayhawk13 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by BraveJayhawk View Post

    I just realized that you're an enemy :)

    ^^^^This. I was like, wtf, I'm never giving any advice to a tiger. Except the old GFY, which is sound advice for a tiger :)

    Rock Chalk

    Hey Beaker leave my tiger brethren alone
     
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    Apr 16th, 2009 (4/16/2009 2:53am) in reply to danxxx1

     
    Originally Posted by danxxx1 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by 13Jayhawk13 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by BraveJayhawk View Post

    I just realized that you're an enemy :)

    ^^^^This. I was like, wtf, I'm never giving any advice to a tiger. Except the old GFY, which is sound advice for a tiger :)

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    Hey Beaker leave my tiger brethren alone

    Hijack!

    Rock chalk, muck fizzou.

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    Apr 16th, 2009 (4/16/2009 2:58am) in reply to calebku33

    what's your stats mupp? vpip, pfr, agg factor
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    Apr 16th, 2009 (4/16/2009 4:10am) in reply to BraveJayhawk

     
    Originally Posted by BraveJayhawk View Post

    This is a good sign. It's a LOT easier to plug leaks in showdown winnings.

    very very true actually ... great statement
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    Apr 16th, 2009 (4/16/2009 4:12am) in reply to MUPokerPlayer

    it's certainly not optimal but i would take this over a graph where i was losing in non-showdowns.

    What is your fold to c-bet % and river AF?

    edit: also, the red line indicates how much of a man you are
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    Apr 16th, 2009 (4/16/2009 12:30pm) in reply to MUPokerPlayer

    I honestly don't understand how people can maintain a positive red line like that. I guess I'm too closed in my thinking. In any case, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
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