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  1. I have read a lot of similar posts so please refrain from the "search button" comment. I am asking because I want to know what has worked for people in the past.

    The conversation went like this
    Bank : "Sir the security department has informed us that you are putting money into your account from online gambling sites, and online gambling is illegal."
    Me: "Actually online gambling is not illegal. Could you please tell me the issue that the security department has?"
    Bank : "Well they are simply telling us that we are going to shut your account down if you make another cashout from an online gambling site."
    Me : "Alright, can you please have the security department call me so I can discuss this with them?"

    The security department has not called back.
    General info:
    -have been making cashouts from FTP using the premium bank wire transfers.
    - somewhat recently started this account, which may be why it is being flagged.

    Any advice would be very much appreciated, I know most people will simply say switch banks, but I would love to hear if there is anything I can say to the bank or any other possible scenario, I am essentially using the bank switch as my last option.
  2. Take your bussiness else where. My bank isn't trying to "Debo" me.
     
  3. there's nothing you can really do, as your bank has the right to stop serving you. I would not do another transaction and go to another bank
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  4. switch banks.. easy way to not deal with the bs
  5. pretty solid advice itt
  6. politely tell them thank you for your service but i will be taking my business else where. then ask for them to release your funds to you and take them elsewhere.
  7. i belong to [bank name removed]. never had any problems cashing out e-checks. they weant big withdrawls usually maybe 80 to 100 bucks at a time. but nothing was ever said
    Edited By: okse54 Jan 3rd, 2011 at 04:46 AM
    Reason: refrain from using any bank names please
  8.  
    Originally Posted by shallowcal View Post

    politely tell them thank you for your service but i will be taking my business else where. then ask for them to release your funds to you and take them elsewhere.


    I am worried they are going to file a report of suspicious activities. I pay taxes but I would prefer to just not have to deal with all this bs. Everything that makes online poker more related to the government and being "wrong" in my household leads to my parents totally turning on me if I decided to take a year off and play full time before law school.

     
    Originally Posted by Turt22 View Post

    i belong to [bank name removed]. never had any problems cashing out e-checks. they weant big withdrawls usually maybe 80 to 100 bucks at a time. but nothing was ever said

    ding ding on the bank I use.
    my withdraws were bigger but I had never had a problem before either.
    Edited By: okse54 Jan 3rd, 2011 at 04:46 AM
    Reason: removed the bank name from quoted post
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  9.  
    Originally Posted by TFly33 View Post

    Me : "Alright, can you please have the security department call me so I can discuss this with them?"

    The security department has not called back.

    This is where you messed up. You need to call them. Banks are allowed and WILL threaten to and eventually shut down accounts that are associated with gambling sites. They're not going to extend their time and services by calling a suspected gambler to further explain their policy.
  10.  
    Originally Posted by apology7 View Post

    there's nothing you can really do, as IT IS ILLEGAL FOR YOUR BANK TO PROCESS YOUR WITHDRAWALS...and so they have the right to stop serving you. I would not do another transaction and go to another bank


    FYP

    also, if your cashouts have been over I think it's 5k they've already gotten you into a zillion federal databases that look into terrorist/ money laundering activities. 10k deposits get reported, everyone knows that, but the smaller threshold (like I said 5k or maybe even 3k, I don't remember) triggers new post 9-11 rules governed by IIRC a government agency called fincen.

    cliffs.
    1) Bank is doing it's job correctly
    2) get another bank
    3) government is tracking you like a mofo already, nothing you can do about it.
    Edited By: bonflizubi Jan 3rd, 2011 at 03:38 AM
     
  11. itt i get really freaked out
     
  12.  
    Originally Posted by bonflizubi View Post

    FYP

    also, if your cashouts have been over I think it's 5k they've already gotten you into a zillion federal databases that look into terrorist/ money laundering activities. 10k deposits get reported, everyone knows that, but the smaller threshold (like I said 5k or maybe even 3k, I don't remember) triggers new post 9-11 rules governed by IIRC a government agency called fincen.

    cliffs.
    1) Bank is doing it's job correctly
    2) get another bank
    3) government is tracking you like a mofo already, nothing you can do about it.

    They were all 5ks. So is my solution then to switch banks and to cash less money out at a time? It seems to me that if this is illegal for every american bank the more pertinent solution would be to make a foreign bank account, that way i dont constantly have to switch banks and hope that this one doesnt catch me?
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  13.  
    Originally Posted by clemsonrich View Post

    itt i get really freaked out


    why? as long as you are paying your taxes and not say living in Wash state and breaking their online poke rlaw, nothing to worry about. nada.
     
  14. I currently work for [bank name removed] and worked for [bank name removed] before that and the problem with your deposits are the amounts that are being wire transfered bc its like a cash deposit inside the bank itself. I forget the timeframe but any CASH deposit over 3000 or CASH deposits totaling 3000 over a week is flagged. Any cash over 5000 or and the person usually has to fill out a form. Both are to prevent money laundering and other stuff. Best bet is to switch banks since they already flagged the merchant thats making the transfer as online gambling and with your new bank keep it to like 2500 xfers and if I can remember the exact timeframe to keep it from getting flagged I'll pm you. Or just deposit checks and they will put a hold until it clears but wont flag em
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Jan 3rd, 2011 at 06:54 AM
    Reason: removed bank name
  15.  
    Originally Posted by bonflizubi View Post

    FYP

    i disagree

    pretty sure withdrawing funds from poker sites are 100% legal
    Edited By: okse54 Jan 3rd, 2011 at 04:51 AM
     
  16.  
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post

    i disagree

    pretty sure withdrawing funds from poker sites are 100% legal


    You aren't doing anything illegal but the bank is
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  17.  
    Originally Posted by threeven View Post

    You aren't doing anything illegal but the bank is


    ive always been under 2 impressions

    #1 - that the only real restriction is for banks to facilitate transfers onto gambling sites, but the reverse was never prohibited

    #2 - that the UIGEA doesnt even really apply since it only comes into affect for "illegal online gambling" and sites like pokerstars (unless u live in the states that expressly say otherwise) are in no way considered an "illegal online gambling" site under any law in the U.S.

    i know that most banks have voluntarily decided to follow the UIGEA regardless of whether it actually could be enforced or not, but im pretty sure officially there is nothing illegal about the bank processing a withdrawal
     
  18. I'm 27 and have worked at a bank for over 3 years. I can tell you from experience that any unusual or suspicious activity, especially when you open an account is a no no. These bank wires definitely fit that pattern. Switch banks and figure out another way to withdraw your funds or wait awhile before doing so many wire transfers. I've been doing echecks forever and never had any problems.
  19.  
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post

    ive always been under 2 impressions

    #1 - that the only real restriction is for banks to facilitate transfers onto gambling sites, but the reverse was never prohibited

    #2 - that the UIGEA doesnt even really apply since it only comes into affect for "illegal online gambling" and sites like pokerstars (unless u live in the states that expressly say otherwise) are in no way considered an "illegal online gambling" site under any law in the U.S.

    i know that most banks have voluntarily decided to follow the UIGEA regardless of whether it actually could be enforced or not, but im pretty sure officially there is nothing illegal about the bank processing a withdrawal


    You are arguing little technicalities that have never gone to court.

    Besides, if you were CEO of Bank X, would you risk all the fines/ banking license issues on whether the directionality of a transaction mattered or whether it was "poker" or "gambling" related? I think not.

    Not to mention the account on the other side doesn't say FTP or Pokerstars - it's an intermediary processor which likely/ may well processes stuff for multiple sites. Toss that into the salad and it becomes even murkier. No way one guy's business comes close to messing around with this stuff at all. Any bank doing otherwise is just practicing horrific risk management.

    p.s. even if it was legal 100% the banks can still choose to refuse your business. And as important a group as some people on this and other boards think *we* are, business wise, to a bank, we aren't even a speck of dust.
     
  20. You are not doing anything illegal. It is a grey area for them they are just protecting themselves like others have said.

    I dunno if its the wires or not but I have yet to have this problem with a bank but I just get checks , takes longer but not too long (If I need the money NOW I am not planning right imo).

    Def take your business elsewhere and switch up your methods/amounts getting a nice round 5000$ every time you cash out is gonna set off some flag I would think as it isnt that common for such round numbers to come out in banking. You might have the same problem with checks (but I think there is a reason the checks all come under a certain size, to avoid flags) I dunno I guess it depends on the diligence of the individual banks.

    They can't confiscate your funds, or sic the coppers on you so don't panic.
    Edited By: JLizard Jan 3rd, 2011 at 07:13 AM
    Reason: grey areas
  21. I've been doing 5k+ wires for a while at [my bank] =), and I'm kinda worried that they will eventually be like, ok no more. Last time I was there I was actually doing a wire to buy some precious metals and she asked me what I did for a living. I didn't want to lie so I just told her I play poker. She didn't seem to care and she actually asked ME if it was legal. I told her yes it is legal, it is only illegal for a site to operate from US soil (which is true but there's also a whole lot of gray area). She then asked if I go to Foxwoods or Mohegan, to which I replied, "all the time!"...even though my last visit was over 2 years ago =).

    ps. I feel bad for the mods who have to keep coming in here removing bank names. good work!
     
  22. I just clicked on FTP withdrawal. I don't see where you can get sent a check in the mail. Not an option anymore? Is a bank account neccessary now?
  23.  
    Originally Posted by hkfgkjtfgkyu View Post

    I just clicked on FTP withdrawal. I don't see where you can get sent a check in the mail. Not an option anymore? Is a bank account neccessary now?

    Good question, still there for me . The max has dropped 500 dollars recently.
  24.  
    Originally Posted by JLizard View Post

    You are not doing anything illegal. It is a grey area for them they are just protecting themselves like others have said.

    I dunno if its the wires or not but I have yet to have this problem with a bank but I just get checks , takes longer but not too long (If I need the money NOW I am not planning right imo).

    Def take your business elsewhere and switch up your methods/amounts getting a nice round 5000$ every time you cash out is gonna set off some flag I would think as it isnt that common for such round numbers to come out in banking. You might have the same problem with checks (but I think there is a reason the checks all come under a certain size, to avoid flags) I dunno I guess it depends on the diligence of the individual banks.

    They can't confiscate your funds, or sic the coppers on you so don't panic.

    Yeah I am not in any hurry at all to cash it out, moreso just dont like being a situation that feels criminal (even though it is clearly not).
    Cashing out 300$ at a time seems so absurd. I am not a baller at all so realistically I could do it, but how on earth would someone who binked a 100k + score (cant even imagine a 1mill) possibly do this?
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  25.  
    Originally Posted by TFly33 View Post

    I am not a baller at all so realistically I could do it, but how on earth would someone who binked a 100k + score (cant even imagine a 1mill) possibly do this?

    you get a bank wire.
     
  26.  
    Originally Posted by bonflizubi View Post

    you get a bank wire.

    and these are tracked less than premium bank wires? I am kind of a noob when it comes to banking so bear with me.
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  27.  
    Originally Posted by TFly33 View Post

    Everything that makes online poker more related to the government and being "wrong" in my household leads to my parents totally turning on me if I decided to take a year off and play full time before law school.

    I think I am you from the future.
  28.  
    Originally Posted by Pghfan987 View Post

    I think I am you from the future.

    Haha well then pm me and let me know if you are happy with your decision / things you would do differently.... or really any advice at all for that matter, as I cant think of anyone that would be more helpful than me in the future.
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  29. I'm always a bit surprised that not more people open offshore accounts if they withdraw frequently to avoid these issues.
     
  30.  
    Originally Posted by Mournval View Post

    I'm always a bit surprised that not more people open offshore accounts if they withdraw frequently to avoid these issues.

    It's remarkably difficult to do assuming you are a US citizen who lives in the US and can't establish a legitimate (ie not poker) reason for opening one - and you need significant coin to do so as well.

    If you live in the EU as you do for instance, there are a lot more legit reasons for opening an offshore account and much less money required to do so.