1. Jennifear, i think its pathetic, selfish, and irresponsible that you would vote for ANYONE on this single issue. I'm a conservative but ill burn in hell before i vote for Sarah palin, under any circumstances. Its sad that you would whore out your vote to anyone who would defend our right to play online poker. Im not a pro but i love online poker and feel we should all have the right to play it freely and responsibly. But ill be god-damned if i vote for someone only because they will defend that right. There are a few other rights that i would rather have defended, mostly the first ten amendments of the constitution.
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    Originally Posted by Sola_Fide_3 View Post

    Jennifear, i think its pathetic, selfish, and irresponsible that you would vote for ANYONE on this single issue. I'm a conservative but ill burn in hell before i vote for Sarah palin, under any circumstances. Its sad that you would whore out your vote to anyone who would defend our right to play online poker. Im not a pro but i love online poker and feel we should all have the right to play it freely and responsibly. But ill be god-damned if i vote for someone only because they will defend that right. There are a few other rights that i would rather have defended, mostly the first ten amendments of the constitution.

    My thoughts on this have limits. If there were a candidate who were set out to destroy the principles that this country were founded upon, such as the first ten amendments of the constitution, I'm sure I would re-think my position. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

    Of course, please understand that our opponents are generally not suitable to represent us, because if they are willing to take our rights away, they are going to fail significantly on other issues as well. Look at Kyl, Goodlatte, and Frist. This isn't the forum to attack their other policies, but needless to say, they are not who we want representing us.

    This issue hits home for me, and I won't apologize for making it a priority. Those in power need to understand we are willing to fight, and fight hard for our rights. Most importantly our opponents need to understand that their position on this will cost them votes.
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  3. In regards to the original letter and original post, I also received the same exact letter from my bank in the same exact format. Obviously we have the same bank. My letter was dated October 29, 2009.

    This is not the first letter I had received from them. I recieved a similar letter - it was almost the same except the wording on potential account restriction if I didn't respond was a bit different - several months ago.

    The first time I called them in response to the first letter, they read me the prepared legal speech and concluded with they could potentially close my account if it were used for online gambling again. I did not lie to them at all since I knew there was nothing illegal I was doing. There were wires and e-check deposits to my bank account from both Stars and Full Tilt which prompted the first letter and call.

    The second time which was just a week or so ago when I called them, they told me that my account would be closed if they detected this activity again. This time around they knew what the activity was and didn't even ask me, they just told me. In this case it was an actual e-check deposit to Full Tilt from my bank acccount that they saw. No wires or deposits to my actual bank account (since I haven't withdrawn from a site in a while). They obviously now have clear ability to determine the sources of all fund transfers to and from online poker sites, even though sites use a 3rd party processor.

    They read me the prepared legal speech and told me that my account would be closed if I used my account in association with online gambling again.

    The interesting thing they said in the legal speech was 'currently online gambling is a "gray area" and BANKNAME isn't in a position to make a determination on it's legality.'

    So basically the bank is airing on the side of caution and eliminating any potential problems before they happen.

    What I wonder is if other banks will take this approach. If they do, it will become nearly impossible to transfer money to sites and to withdraw it.
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    Originally Posted by Sola_Fide_3 View Post

    Jennifear, i think its pathetic, selfish, and irresponsible that you would vote for ANYONE on this single issue. I'm a conservative but ill burn in hell before i vote for Sarah palin, under any circumstances. Its sad that you would whore out your vote to anyone who would defend our right to play online poker. Im not a pro but i love online poker and feel we should all have the right to play it freely and responsibly. But ill be god-damned if i vote for someone only because they will defend that right. There are a few other rights that i would rather have defended, mostly the first ten amendments of the constitution.

    Mellow out and step off your high horse some. Why on Earth wouldn't a professional online poker player have online poker as their number 1 or 2 voting issue? At the end of the day what matters to most people is being able to keep paying the bills and putting food on the table (if you say otherwise youre lying). BTW, this IS a huge issue, the government is stepping on our rights and wasting valuable money and time and also making it even harder for banks to operate when they're already struggling. Oh, and this is a poker forum not a political debate forum.

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    Originally Posted by apestyles View Post

    Oh, and this is a poker forum not a political debate forum.

    Jen-baby, don't play whack-a-mole with the Sons of Limbaugh. Exercise in futility.

    P.S. Happy Birthday to MadTiger, bitches!
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    Originally Posted by apestyles View Post

    Mellow out and step off your high horse some. Why on Earth wouldn't a professional online poker player have online poker as their number 1 or 2 voting issue? At the end of the day what matters to most people is being able to keep paying the bills and putting food on the table (if you say otherwise youre lying). BTW, this IS a huge issue, the government is stepping on our rights and wasting valuable money and time and also making it even harder for banks to operate when they're already struggling. Oh, and this is a poker forum not a political debate forum.

    I agree with you ape, i understand why online poker pros would have this VERY high on their voting priorities. Im not a pro, just a purely recreational player and a pretty bad one at that. I guess im just coming from a perspective that understands how fragile our country is right now. Everyone is struggling to pay the bills and put food on the table. While i dont believe that online poker should be the #1 legislative priority of Congress i understand why online pros like you and jennifear feel it should. But do you understand that if any of us vote for someone solely on their stance on this issue then we all could be in trouble. Anyone who knows anything about politics knows that Barney Frank is one of the most unethical and irresponsible members of the house. Dont take my word for it, just look it up. He's being investigated for a number of issues. Not to mention his role in our banks meltdowns. So if we support people and policies that may solve one issue on our life, let it be known we are opening the door to many others. All you online pro's who feel strongly about this issue should really take a good look at the policy makers on both sides of this struggle. No disrespect to you, jennifear, or any other person who disagrees.
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    Originally Posted by MadTiger View Post

    Jen-baby, don't play whack-a-mole with the Sons of Limbaugh. Exercise in futility.

    P.S. Happy Birthday to MadTiger, bitches!

    In this thread, I don't intend to attack any political party for their stance on any subject other than their stance on online poker.

    Happy birthday!
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  8. this thread was informative until the whole political discussion broke out, now i just feel like i'm watching a few ppl yell over each other on fox news.
  9. Jennifear pwns n00bs.
  10. Thanks for replying to my question regarding credit unions.
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    Originally Posted by myzislow View Post

     
    Originally Posted by myzislow View Post

    Being that I bank with a smaller, local credit union do I have less to worry about come Dec. 1st? I've never had a problem with the processing of wire transfers and or checks and I've definitely yet to receive any letters or notifications citing any upcoming change of protocol come Dec. 1st.

    any insight?

     
    Originally Posted by myzislow View Post

    any insight?

    Hnesty, I have no idea. I've heard less stories about those from smaller banks/credit unions having trouble, but I can't advise you. The answer, and it isn't very helpful, is that it depends on the individual bank/credit union.
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  12. HEY JENN WHAT ABOUT USING PICCLUB FOR DEPOSITS AND WITHDRAWALS ... IM PISSED BECAUSE I LIVE IN GEORGIA AND READ WHERE THEY WERE STRICT ON GAMBLING THAT IS NOT THE STATE LOTTO WHERE THERE IS NO SKILL AND TERRIBLE ODDS . HERE I AM READY FOR MORE TRAINING TO STEP UP MY GAME. DISCOURAGED.

    PLAYA ONE
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    Originally Posted by Jennifear View Post

    Yup. I think that this is one reason that some professional poker players sometimes don't pay their taxes.

    Exactly. It really seems ludicrous to me that the Government can simultaneously be doing everything short of making online poker illegal, while expecting everybody playing to claim 100% accurately on their taxes. Even honest people might be scared to claim winnings when they might be sought out based on how they earned their money.

    Sadly I'm still grinding a BR, so I don't find this affecting me too drastically. But it really appears like political figures are missing the logic train on this one. Regulate Online Poker = Much Harder to skimp on taxes = more revenue for the government = $$$ to contribute to the myriad of other financial issues facing our country right now.
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    Originally Posted by Sola_Fide_3 View Post

    Jennifear, i think its pathetic, selfish, and irresponsible that you would vote for ANYONE on this single issue. I'm a conservative but ill burn in hell before i vote for Sarah palin, under any circumstances. Its sad that you would whore out your vote to anyone who would defend our right to play online poker. Im not a pro but i love online poker and feel we should all have the right to play it freely and responsibly. But ill be god-damned if i vote for someone only because they will defend that right. There are a few other rights that i would rather have defended, mostly the first ten amendments of the constitution.

    So you'd take being unemployed and broke as long as you have your ten amendments defended? lol. What if it meant taking care of a family vs. your "rights." Oh, you're talking about guns, touche.

    And why bring religion into the argument?
  15. Guns, religion, family, right, ten amendments???? Gosh, i hope you're not as stupid as you sound. Good luck with the rest of your life if you are.
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    Originally Posted by MadProfesor View Post

    Jennifear pwns n00bs.

  17. maybe someone can give me a clear answer here. after jennifear told them she wouldn't use her account for anymore poker withdrawals and they OK'd everything and everything went back to normal. would it be OK if like a week or even a month later she requested to close her account and move all her cash to another bank? would the bank that requested the interview tell the other "you shouldn't take this customer's money, she does online gambling stuff"?? or would it be perfectly fine for her to close her account with no consequences whatsoever??
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    Originally Posted by sleepi View Post

    maybe someone can give me a clear answer here. after jennifear told them she wouldn't use her account for anymore poker withdrawals and they OK'd everything and everything went back to normal. would it be OK if like a week or even a month later she requested to close her account and move all her cash to another bank? would the bank that requested the interview tell the other "you shouldn't take this customer's money, she does online gambling stuff"?? or would it be perfectly fine for her to close her account with no consequences whatsoever??

    privacy legislation?