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Basic Terminology Question - "3-bet"

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  1. TheOx777 TheOx777 is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 10:15am)

    What are 3-bets and 4-bets? When someone says they 3-bet preflop, for instance, they mean they re-raised someone, right? So preflop, the first bet is the big blind (and any callers), the second bet is an initial raise, and the third bet is the re-raise? Is this correct? And post-flop, a 3-bet would be where someone bets, there's a re-raise, and then another re-raise? That seems pretty obvious to me, I guess I'm wondering if I'm using the term correctly to describe pre-flop play. Is the big blind (and any limpers) considered the first bet?
  2. supermoves supermoves is offline invented poker

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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 10:19am) in reply to TheOx777

    In limt poker, you can only bet a fixed amount. If you bet that amount and I raise your bet, I can only raise it the same amout or "two-bet" you. If someone REraises, it would be a 3-bet :-)
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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 10:23am) in reply to supermoves

    I should've specified that I was talking about no-limit, but I suppose the concept applies the same in both instances. My main question was whether someone who raises on the flop (let's say they're UTG, or it's folded to them and they're first to act) is putting in the first or second bet since there's no previous action--in other words, whether the big blind counts as the first bet.
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  4. supermoves supermoves is offline invented poker

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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 10:37am) in reply to TheOx777

    The first person to bet is putting in the first bet. The person who raises (in limit) is then "2-betting". The person who raises AGAIN is then "3-betting".

    I dont hear the term used very much in NL, but I suppose if someone in no-limit bet, that would be the first bet, if someone min-raised, that would be 2-betting and so on...

    If we are playing NL, you are first to act and you bet $500 and I raise you to $3000, that is not "2-betting".
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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 10:45am) in reply to supermoves

    This was my intuitive understanding of the term's use, but I saw it being used in a context where the big blind/any limpers had to constitute the first bet, meaning the first raiser was actually the second bet.
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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 10:51am) in reply to TheOx777

    It is used in limit mostly, you rarely hear it in a NLHE game. Just think of it this way - playing 5/10 Limit, where the BB is $5, $10 would be a 'raise' (2-bet), usually the dealer will say '3-bet' at $15, then 'capped' at $20.

    So yes, limping would count as the first bet, raising to 10 is the 2nd
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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 10:57am) in reply to Certifiable

    If raising a limper is a 2-bet, then it makes sense that raising the big blind would be a 2-bet as well. At any rate, thanks to both of you for your help, I think I understand it now.
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  8. supermoves supermoves is offline invented poker

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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 11:01am) in reply to TheOx777

    "raising a limper is a 2-bet, then it makes sense that raising the big blind would be a 2-bet as well"

    Thats correct. The first double of the BB is a "2-bet".
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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 11:19am) in reply to supermoves

    You should collaborate with a bunch of super secret famous pros and write a book
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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 11:26am) in reply to TheOx777

    you are correct with what you said in your post
     
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    Feb 15th, 2007 (2/15/2007 11:27am) in reply to PHX_Rises

    LOL Oh I am...and it is SUPER secret...lol
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