There is a huge thread on it somewhere that was made the other week... it seems to have died down a bit now though

King Rube would be a hero these days around here... such nutswingaments

it was a big deal and we beat that horse to death but I guess 2+2 is beatin it some more

"yaw" could be the worst internet slang word I have ever read

 

Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd

"yaw" could be the worst internet slang word I have ever read

And to add to that, as a Southerner, I am offended that you can't spell "Ya'll" correctly.

My guess is that Bax, Sheets and several prominent members of this forum believe that UB is worth redemtion. As such they have a following that was disappointed in the UB scandal but believe that recent changes are enough to ensure safe play on that site.

As one of the lead detractors, I lack the popularity and credibility of these members so the information is put out there for the discussion sake working against Bax Sheets and UB's financial interests, while UB's PR machine is lent a sympathetic treatment from the prominent figures on this forum.

My guess is this site has gone dark on the matter to aid UB's pr machine and help them down the road to recovery.

it's not just bax now rizen has gone and sullied his (once) good name for the sake of riches :(

What other type of business can the owners rip off its customers, get found out and then continue trading like nothing ever happened? None. The fucking site is a joke. Anyone playing there is an idiot.

No, it's not how you pronounce it. It's a contraction of the words "you all" and it's "y'all".

i wish bax was my father lol!

 

Originally Posted by SluggerWV

 

Originally Posted by EyeKnows

"My guess is this site has gone dark on the matter..."

Maybe everyone had their say and that was what ended it? lol at a big p5s conspiracy to let "it" go away quietly.

^excellent post

Why is it considered bad by some that people are willing to give a site a second chance when they are making serious efforts to improve and to address the mistakes/wrongs of the past?
UB has things that are good and is trying to improve in other areas. I think they will be successful. But not because I am part of an UB conspiracy

It's never going to be something everyone agrees on. There will be people who never even consider playing on UB/AP again, and there will even be people who think anyone who does play there is some sort of traitor to the online community. There are plenty of others who want to see what UB and AP can do to turn things around. We're at the point where we're just hearing people say the same things over and over (on both sides). Obviously it's a very major issue, and it's not something that should be handled lightly--we just all have different opinions about what's best for poker going forward.

UltimateBet Parent Co. in Second Cheating Scandal
by Bradley Vallerius

UltimateBet has revealed that an individual or individuals who
formerly worked for the site were able to cheat players for a period
spanning 21 months.

This admission is the second in less than a year that parent company
Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG has had to make. Another of its properties,
AbsolutePoker.com, revealed a similar security breach last fall.

Tokwiro, owned by Joseph T. Norton, the former grand chief of the
Mohawk Council of Kahnawake, said the perpetrators were employed by
UltimateBet prior to its purchase by Tokwiro in October 2006.

According to a prepared statement from Tokwiro Thursday, the
perpetrators obtained opponents' hole card information by manipulating
software code that was part of a legacy auditing system, and were
active players on the network from March 2006 to December 2007.

The company has not revealed how much money the cheaters won, but
evidence indicates it could be millions of dollars. In January
UltimateBet was alerted to suspicious behavior by the user name,
NioNio.

Investigation has confirmed that NioNio was only one of 18 user names
involved in the scheme. An analysis of NioNio's play on online forum
TwoPlusTwo.com suggests that he won more than $600,000 over four
months.

"Tokwiro is taking full responsibility for this situation and will
immediately begin refunding UltimateBet customers for any losses that
were incurred as a result of unfair play," the company said.

The company also said it is "pursuing its legal options in this
regard." It has not disclosed the names of any individuals involved in
the scandal.

UltimateBet, like its sister site, AbsolutePoker, is licensed and
regulated by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. The commission fined
Tokwiro $500,000 in January as a result of last fall's security breach
at AbsolutePoker.

In the Absolute case, it was "a trusted consultant" of the company
that had manipulated software to view opponents' hole cards. The
company ended up paying $1.6 million to customers who were affected by
the breach.

The gaming commission determined that AbsolutePoker committed four
violations related to client provider authorization. In addition to
the fine, AbsolutePoker became subject to random audits for two years
and was ordered to implement a compliance program.

Neither the name of the trusted consultant nor any legal action
against him or her has ever been disclosed.

Mr. Norton, who was grand chief of Kahnawake from 1980 until 2004, was
a founder and former chief executive of the Mohawk Internet
Technologies hosting facility.

The gaming commission has not issued a prepared statement regarding
UltimateBet's security breach.

On Saturday, Murray Marshall, legal counsel to the gaming commission,
told Canada's National Post that Kahnawake's regulation is among "the
tightest in the world."

"We would obviously prefer to prevent all possibilities of this kind
of thing happening, but no system is infallible," he said.

Admin note -- this post was initially deleted by one of our moderators because it's the 821937489324th post on the exact same thing, but when I saw it, I moved it back to the forum because the OP thinks he was censored and that it was deleted for some reason regarding an agenda of ours. You can find literally thousands of anti-UB posts all over this forum, dating back all the way to 2005. UB-bashing is nothing new here, and we've never stuck our foot in the middle and never will.

That was nice of you Adam. Any idea when the search feature will be up to speed?

Can I just merge it with yesterdays ranting anti-UB post?