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Best line to take?

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  1. POKER_PANDA POKER_PANDA is offline

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    Nov 17th, 2010 (11/17/2010 6:03am)

    Back into trying to improve mode since I want to grind all winter, and I would really appreciate any advice on this hand. I feel like I played everything up to river fine (up for criticism obviously, just want to throw that out there) but on river I am not sure if chk/call, bet/call, or bet/fold is best. FWIW, he has been at table for about 2 orbits, nothing crazy shown from him yet. On one hand I feel like chking loses value from small pp that might call another value bet, but i also feel that he bluffs river so little that bet calling might be spewy. Thanks a lot!

    edit: $26 6 max KO

    Seat 1: M_of_2 (24,178)
    Seat 2: Bryan Pena (10,375)
    Seat 3: AcesRstrong (6,072)
    Seat 4: Mozoltov55 (25,313)
    Seat 5: EBmachine83 (15,320)
    Seat 6: nutbet (10,537)
    M_of_2 antes 25
    Bryan Pena antes 25
    AcesRstrong antes 25
    Mozoltov55 antes 25
    EBmachine83 antes 25
    nutbet antes 25
    M_of_2 posts the small blind of 120
    Bryan Pena posts the big blind of 240
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to M_of_2 [Jc Js]
    AcesRstrong folds
    Mozoltov55 raises to 600
    EBmachine83 folds
    nutbet folds
    Fachin4LyFe (Observer): glooks
    M_of_2 calls 480
    Bryan Pena folds
    *** FLOP *** [Tc 4s 4c]
    Bryan Pena: u get it
    Fachin4LyFe (Observer): now u gotta win this
    Fachin4LyFe (Observer): ya
    M_of_2 bets 850
    Mozoltov55 calls 850
    *** TURN *** [Tc 4s 4c] [7h]
    Fachin4LyFe (Observer): how long ago u send i
    Fachin4LyFe (Observer): t
    M_of_2 bets 1,780
    Bryan Pena: 5seconds ago
    Bryan Pena: that was quick
    Mozoltov55 calls 1,780
    *** RIVER *** [Tc 4s 4c 7h] [5h]
    Fachin4LyFe (Observer): ya that was
    M_of_2 bets 3,250
    Mozoltov55 has 15 seconds left to act
    Mozoltov55 raises to 7,920
    M_of_2 calls
    Edited By: POKER_PANDA Nov 18th, 2010 at 12:57 AM
  2. BuffaloBillMe BuffaloBillMe is offline

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    Nov 17th, 2010 (11/17/2010 6:31am) in reply to POKER_PANDA

    Don't take advice from me, but i'd have bet the river. I'm not one to be teaching but i'd like to see what everyone else has to say.
    I'd be thinking if he had a bigger pocket pair he'd reraise pre, but thats me.
  3. FuglyNutz FuglyNutz is offline

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    Nov 17th, 2010 (11/17/2010 6:57am) in reply to BuffaloBillMe

    I would check the river. Quite possible he flopped a boat here. His smooth calls are suspicious. Also by checking you give him a chance to bluff/bet and you can get a better read on his handif he river bets. I'd put him on AK/AQ or pocket 10s. He is most likely going to make a river bet and I would probably call most of his river bets unless I had a sick read that he flopped the boat, then I fold. Let me guess though that he had Pocket 10s and you called his allin bet.
  4. Sagacious Man Sagacious Man is online now

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    Nov 17th, 2010 (11/17/2010 6:59am) in reply to FuglyNutz

    I probably reraise pre to find out if hes serious. I'd probably bet here since there are worse hands he can call with like AT or a smaller pair. But it sounds like you dont know where your at on the river, you must have some reads on this guy? If your not sure then I would say check/call any reasonable bet and you might induce some bluffs. Bet / folding sucks.
  5. kxywrx kxywrx is offline

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    Nov 17th, 2010 (11/17/2010 7:22am) in reply to POKER_PANDA

    as played, bet/evaluate i think is best.
     
  6. humdinger1 humdinger1 is offline

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    Nov 17th, 2010 (11/17/2010 4:45pm) in reply to kxywrx

    As played I check call the river... if he ships all in when u check think mayb find a fold (although in rela time i call here a lot)
    just dont think At etc is ganna bet strong here as played on river... good player would mayb bet smallish but not allin as has huge shown down value andonly called by better....... think busted flush draw also possible and only way to win is to bet and obv u call and scoop pot
     
  7. POKER_PANDA POKER_PANDA is offline

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    Nov 17th, 2010 (11/17/2010 5:14pm) in reply to Sagacious Man

     
    Originally Posted by talon View Post

    I probably reraise pre to find out if hes serious. I'd probably bet here since there are worse hands he can call with like AT or a smaller pair. But it sounds like you dont know where your at on the river, you must have some reads on this guy? If your not sure then I would say check/call any reasonable bet and you might induce some bluffs. Bet / folding sucks.

    to start the hand we are both 100 bb deep and im not sure what im going to do i f i 3bet and he 4bets. that was the main reason i flatted pre. i guess b/c and b/f depend on his sizing on river as well, but if he were to raise any river bet, i feel he is bluffing such a small % of the time that auto calling even a min raise might be spewy?
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  8. Charlamaigne Charlamaigne is offline

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    Nov 17th, 2010 (11/17/2010 5:31pm) in reply to kxywrx

     
    Originally Posted by kxywrx View Post

    as played, bet/evaluate i think is best.

    This. I think you lose out on value if you check here.
  9. Bisull Bisull is offline

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    Nov 17th, 2010 (11/17/2010 6:54pm) in reply to Charlamaigne

    Think u need to bet this river... villains line looks alot like 5's-9's, random T's and AK/AQ ... ur losing a ton of value by checking the river
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    Nov 17th, 2010 (11/17/2010 7:07pm) in reply to Bisull

    2925/f
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    Nov 17th, 2010 (11/17/2010 7:07pm) in reply to Bisull

    Theres no way im not betting this river against a random.
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    Nov 17th, 2010 (11/17/2010 7:47pm) in reply to bighaley21

    He probably checks back a lot of his range that you are ahead of, such as Tx or lower pp, so you are missing out on value when checking. Its unlikely that hes floating 2 streets with air, and i think with the top of his range he is more likely to raise the turn to try and set up a river shove. This looks more like a one pair type hand than anything else but it is possible he has a monster, and unlikely he has air or a missed draw. So bet/reevaluate sounds good and probably sigh fold to a raise.
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    Nov 18th, 2010 (11/18/2010 12:56am) in reply to nemmylocks

    M_of_2 bets 3,250
    Mozoltov55 has 15 seconds left to act
    Mozoltov55 raises to 7,920
    M_of_2 snap call tho right?

    meh i guess im only getting value from a few small pp with the way the board ran out. checking river lets him bluff a lot of missed draws too.....
    Edited By: POKER_PANDA Nov 18th, 2010 at 12:58 AM
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  14. humdinger1 humdinger1 is offline

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    Nov 18th, 2010 (11/18/2010 1:01am) in reply to POKER_PANDA

    if u check call u get showdown and not commit all stack best option imo

    think u beat here very high % when raised on river.. AT only flats imo
    Edited By: humdinger1 Nov 18th, 2010 at 01:02 AM
     
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