Whats the best way to play against table full of limpers and weak players who call your raises post flop with nothing hoping to suck out on the river, should i just raise with premium hands, limp in against these types of players, or just avoid these types of tournaments cos playing against these players puts me on tilt and i feel my game is not progressing.

Thx guy i'll remember that.

Adapt ur game and limp behind with pockets and connectors. When u get a good hand raise high to charge them preflop. If ur first in dont make standard online raises of 2.5x, make it smth like 3.5x or 4x. Open limp from EP with hands that have potencial, since u wont get raised too often on such a passive table. Dont get crazy with AK cause the players u described wont give u much action if u hit ur top pair unless they have u crushed... Play it, but cautiously. That's a part of my live experience so far, not a live specialist tho.

If everyone limps and you add a big blind for every limper though you're just bloating the pot unneccesarily. Just play a tight game. If everyone limps and you're in late position limp in with hands like 57s+, 56s+ but remember you are only playing these hands to hit a straight or a flush. You are not interested in mid / bottom pair type hands and should always be looking to fold against any confrontation.
If blinds are 50/100. 9 handed. You're in dealer. 5 players limp a raise to 450 - 500 is good. Instead of the 250/300 + 500 (750/800) that you'd be doing if you added a big blind for every limper. Both do the same job, especially for hangs like AK, doing something like that is completely unneccessary. Maybe with AA you could do it if you've never done it before because they'll all think you're full of shit.

Be careful when you're raising with premium hands if you hit, look at the texture of the board, be very wary against check raises and reraises on flop, turn and river against these sorts of players because we know that they're generally quite weak so they may be hitting these obscure boards like a boss. Good luck on the tables dude.

Anyway hope this advice helps. Stay out of trouble with those bottom / middle pairs and remember why you called with those suited connector hands.

why overlimp behind prayin some other fish doesnt squeeze you off your junk hand? seems like the much better play is to iso limpers when ur in position and just abuse them constantly...fish open limping isnt some new trend its been around forever and the way u beat them then is the way u beat them now

i agree with a lot of things in here. One thing is i don;'t think yoou shouldn't tighten up, you should widen up your range a little bit cause most the players are playing really weak holdings and most likely won't be able to fold top pr weak kicker. So just value town them to death

 

Originally Posted by mcfc1234

I said tighten up assuming there is 'a table full of limpers' like there is 3 or 4 people limping every hand where then I think its good to tighten up.. I agree against 1 or 2 limpers you should widen your range and isolate them so much in position as they will usually just play fit or fold post flop and they should be kinda easy to outplay, but if there is 4 or 5 limpers isolating becomes much more expensive and they will probably will still all call meaning one of them will hit a big hand more often that not

i don't agree. the more limpers the better chances you have of potentially dominating them if you widen your range a bit. You don't have to make huge raises to isolate. A lot of these limpers will fold to a very small raise. In my opinion if you widen your range a bit you allow a better chance for these very mediocre players most likely to pay off your hand with their weak holdings.

 

Originally Posted by mcfc1234

I would widen my limping range to more suited connectors, suited aces and pairs, then when I flop big take them to value town. I will widen my value range slightly but not too much.. I dont think they will fold to a small raise, especially if the first limper calls the raise the rest will, you have to raise big to discourage all of them calling and get it down to 1 or 2 even then I think you will still see alot of action from them, I think its ok to iso big for value but then once u start isoing light and your hand doesnt flop well you will lose the pot more often than not as its like the 3-4 other players have hit and will not fold.. I think rather than isoing light id rather limp along as this keeps it cheaper but still very likely you will get paid big when you hit

yeah and when you hit huge, they most likely won't have any part of it. If you raise and they don't fold you don't have to see the hand to the river unless you have the goods. That is just my opinion.

 

Originally Posted by mcfc1234

yea but in a 3-5 way pot someone would of hit something and its only a little something these players need to carry on because they obv hate to fold

yeah but the pot is so small because of the limping you are very rarely going to get your whole stack in, assuming you aren't very short.

 

Originally Posted by mcfc1234

yea i guess its to do with stack sizes too then, if im very deep say over 100bbs then i might prefer to iso but still not too light, i would widen my value range and still prefer to limp hands with great flopping potential i.e small pairs and suited connectors, suited aces etc.. if we're shorter say 30-60bbs eff then isoing wide cant be that good as u will have to put so much in pre then alot of the time be playing multi way where you miss often and one of the other player will likely have hit and will not fold, so limping along with speculative hands may be ok as you can still stack them. By isoing aswell obv its good to get stacks in when way ahead but because we will be attacking these limpers so often we cant expect to stack them every time as times we will only have say a top pair hand or mid pair where there is still value and we can outplay them just gradually building a stack vs these players.. the overall aim is obv to flop big and stack them but this wont always be the case so just outplaying them until then taking smallish pots is fine imo so limping along with speculative hands rather than a light iso is better I think but obv still iso with all strong value hands

im not saying don't limp suited connectors and hands like that. Like what you said widen up your value range a little bit, a lot will put money in with garbage hands in the table he described. didn't read all that btw