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  1. <H1>This was in a 1000 buyin 5/10 Nl cash game at bodog that i just sat down at 10 mins ago. I was wondering if i should bet the river and if so how much??

    Hand Details
    at start of hand we had:

    hattrick8810-$889.00
    elfleader-$1,000.00
    </H1> <TABLE class=info cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=headings><TH>Player</TH><TH>Action</TH><TH>Action Data</TH><TH>Timestamp</TH></TR><TR class=results><TD>novartis32 </TD><TD>Set dealer/Bring in spot </TD><TD>2 </TD><TD>19:23:28 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>MJMJRCT </TD><TD>Ante/Small blind </TD><TD>$ 5.00 </TD><TD>19:23:28 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>hattrick8810 </TD><TD>Big blind/Bring in </TD><TD>$ 10.00 </TD><TD>19:23:28 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Post </TD><TD>$ 10.00 </TD><TD>19:23:28 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>AllinwithAA </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:23:28 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>novartis32 </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:23:28 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>MJMJRCT </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:23:28 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>hattrick8810 </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD>???????</TD><TD>19:23:28 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>soggyvag2 </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:23:28 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Acura </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:23:28 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Buffalove136 </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:23:28 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Card dealt to a spot </TD><TD>5 5 </TD><TD>19:23:28 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>soggyvag2 </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:23:35 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Acura </TD><TD>Call </TD><TD>$ 10.00 </TD><TD>19:23:39 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Buffalove136 </TD><TD>Call </TD><TD>$ 10.00 </TD><TD>19:23:42 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Check </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:23:44 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>AllinwithAA </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:23:44 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>novartis32 </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 0.00 </TD><TD>19:23:46 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>MJMJRCT </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 5.00 </TD><TD>19:23:46 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>hattrick8810 </TD><TD>Raise </TD><TD>$ 40.00 </TD><TD>19:23:52 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Acura </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 10.00 </TD><TD>19:23:54 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>Buffalove136 </TD><TD>Fold </TD><TD>$ 10.00 </TD><TD>19:23:55 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Call </TD><TD>$ 40.00 </TD><TD>19:23:59 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD>Betting round completed </TD><TD>Last active pot = $125.00 </TD><TD>19:23:59 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD>Card dealt to table </TD><TD>3 7 2 </TD><TD>19:23:59 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>hattrick8810 </TD><TD>Bet </TD><TD>$ 90.00 </TD><TD>19:24:04 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Call </TD><TD>$ 90.00 </TD><TD>19:24:06 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD>Betting round completed </TD><TD>Last active pot = $305.00 </TD><TD>19:24:06 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD>Card dealt to table </TD><TD>4 </TD><TD>19:24:06 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>hattrick8810 </TD><TD>Check </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:24:13 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>elfleader </TD><TD>Bet </TD><TD>$ 155.00 </TD><TD>19:24:21 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>hattrick8810 </TD><TD>Call </TD><TD>$ 155.00 </TD><TD>19:24:27 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD>Betting round completed </TD><TD>Last active pot = $615.00 </TD><TD>19:24:27 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD><TD>Card dealt to table </TD><TD>3 </TD><TD>19:24:27 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD>hattrick8810 </TD><TD>Check </TD><TD></TD><TD>19:24:30 </TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD></TR><TR class=results><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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  2. i know im checking the river in that spot...but im a pussy
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  3. me2..i dont think AK or AQ will pay you off here..and imo all your bet will accomplish is a re raise from A) an extremely well played aa or better...or B) a courageous bluff....this would just put alot of pressure on you to make a call (either wrong or right) that you wouldn't have needed to otherwise..

    also..if he has like 66 or 88..he's calling the river anyway...

    Pet M
  4. I can't see betting the river unless you think your opponent will call with ace high much more often than he will check/call or check/raise a hand that beats yours. From what i've heard of Bodog players, betting could be the best play.
  5. definite check
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  6. OK lets see- Hattrick is a CR guy so I'm assuming he's pretty LAG. Full table and he raises to 4x from the BB after two limps and a check from you. We can give him a range of AQ,AK,99+, and some random hands such as suited connectors that he might raise to maintain image or whatever.

    From his line I'm pretty sure he's not on a boat/straight since it would probably make sense for him to value bet about $350-450 on the river. I think he has something like 99 in this spot, so unless you think you can push him off ( which is doubtful given the way the hand went down), I'm checking behind.

    I'd like to see the results..

    EDIT: There is almost NO chance that he has AK,AQ, or anything of that sort. There's no way he check calls the turn with A high and checks the river.
  7. is fold on flop an option?
     
  8. Easy check, not worth the risk.
  9. well if u bet, its going to be a bluff bet seeing as your not going to get called by anything worse than 55, and he most likely has an overpair and is check-calling to avoid calling a big raise when u might have a set, u should check this 99% of the time unless your really confident that he has 8s-TT and think a big bet will make him fold, if i had to play this hand, i would fold on the flop, u miss your set, fold, try again next time... good call on the turn though
     
  10. HAHA well...i go all in and he calls with ak and i take a big pot..
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    Thread Starter
  11. lol elf..thats awesome..you are either genius or retarted.

    hahaha

    when you bet all in, did you think you were ahead? This hand perplexes me.

    gotta love bodog tho :)
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  12. god thats weird. i cant wait to see his reasoning behind calling. really weird line but im sure he had a 'read'
  13. I am sure his read was just off. Hattrick is a good player. He isn't ranked though, so he must be a donkey.
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  14. well i was thinking hmmm if i was him what would i make an allin move with?? full house...no would make a value bet..medium pair..would check like you all said i should. The only thing i would make this move with generally would be a complete bluff. And i did think i was ahead...i guess i was just an idiot to think he had ace-big lookin back at it now i guess.... but that was my thinking at the time...
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  15. Elf is pretty much on the money with my thoughts on the hand and i think he played it pretty well if he knew i would cold call the turn with A high. I would have to be 90% sure my opponent only had A high to do this tho, so i guess he had a good read on me (even tho this was the first hand he sat down to). Anyway, i was not quite sure if he had a med pair or was on the bluff after the turn. When he pushed on the river i leaned more towards bluff and called with the AK high. Bad read by me...well played by him. happens

    NH Elf

    hattrick8810
     
  16. nothing wrong w/ that play then elf....tough to play against someone who plays outside of the box like that.
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  17. btw mantis, i wouldn't underestimate all bodog players
     
  18. Elfleader,

    Obviously you had a great read, and the hand worked out well for you. However, I am curious as to why you didn't raise the flop? Was this for pot control reasons, or just because you figured that after you cold call the flop, his action on the turn would give you a better read on him? Some other reason?

    thanks,
    FSK

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