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Bet too much on the flop?

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  1. stealth stealth is offline

    Jacksonville, FL
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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 12:22am)

    How would you have played this hand differently? Maybe should have raised up to $26k on the flop and shoved the turn. Maybe the Ace on the turn would have scared him off.

    Your thoughts?

    pokerstars Game #24061758311: Tournament #134680747, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2009/01/19 12:34:26 ET
    Table '134680747 118' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: bajoki (62061 in chips)
    Seat 2: xX Stealth (68145 in chips)
    Seat 3: Emuholland (22932 in chips)
    Seat 4: rkruisman (4516 in chips)
    Seat 5: bivervias (18028 in chips)
    Seat 6: BOX CAR JO (61972 in chips)
    Seat 7: mary<>roy (5847 in chips)
    Seat 8: Tapczan (13363 in chips)
    Seat 9: mullervoodoo (41510 in chips)
    bajoki: posts the ante 125
    xX Stealth: posts the ante 125
    Emuholland: posts the ante 125
    rkruisman: posts the ante 125
    bivervias: posts the ante 125
    BOX CAR JO: posts the ante 125
    mary<>roy: posts the ante 125
    Tapczan: posts the ante 125
    mullervoodoo: posts the ante 125
    bivervias: posts small blind 600
    BOX CAR JO: posts big blind 1200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to xX Stealth
    mary<>roy: folds
    Tapczan: folds
    mullervoodoo: folds
    bajoki: raises 1200 to 2400
    xX Stealth: calls 2400
    Emuholland: folds
    rkruisman: folds
    bivervias: folds
    BOX CAR JO: raises 1200 to 3600
    bajoki: calls 1200
    xX Stealth: calls 1200
    *** FLOP ***
    BOX CAR JO: bets 8400
    bajoki: calls 8400
    xX Stealth: raises 56020 to 64420 and is all-in
    BOX CAR JO: folds
    bajoki: calls 49936 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (6084) returned to xX Stealth
    *** TURN ***
    *** RIVER ***
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    bajoki: shows (a pair of Kings)
    xX Stealth: shows (a pair of Sevens)
    bajoki collected 137597 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 137597 | Rake 0
    Board
    Seat 1: bajoki showed and won (137597) with a pair of Kings
    Seat 2: xX Stealth showed and lost with a pair of Sevens
    Seat 3: Emuholland folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: rkruisman (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: bivervias (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: BOX CAR JO (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 7: mary<>roy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Tapczan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: mullervoodoo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. cjmace24 cjmace24 is offline

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    Jan 20th, 2009 (1/20/2009 12:31am) in reply to stealth

    I think shove looks too much like JJ or A10. You're the slight favorite on that flop, so perhaps 3 bet his flop bet, which could put a set of 10's or 8's in his head. If he just smooth calls the flop, you can then fire into the ace, which as you said could be a good scare card for him. Whatever the case, you can never fold there.
  3. pkalevar pkalevar is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2009 (1/22/2009 3:48pm) in reply to stealth

    either way money is going in i don't think youd be able to avoid this.
  4. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2009 (1/22/2009 4:10pm) in reply to stealth

    You should be folding pre.

    On the flop three ways to play it.

    a.) Either smooth call flop bet and shove turn-reason is your stack will be right around pot size after calling and will affordyou nice FE if you miss turn.

    b.) Or raise to like 29999 on flop/call shove or shove turn

    c.) shove flop as you did. only problem is that this actually does look like a draw.

    I think I rather like a. because if you hit on the turn you can play for value and semi bluff with fold equity if needed.
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