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Hand #264


pokerstars Game #71890780083: Tournament #550010445, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (1000/2000) - 2011/12/09 17:14:38 ET
Table '550010445 29' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: fviana (27074 in chips)
Seat 2: Skurk999 (95736 in chips)
Seat 3: timoros (281077 in chips)
Seat 4: bearsfan775 (31498 in chips)
Seat 5: choritzo (29306 in chips)
Seat 6: samj19 (130300 in chips)
Seat 8: Viking8844 (52052 in chips)
Seat 9: berdsovg (55436 in chips)
fviana: posts the ante 250
Skurk999: posts the ante 250
timoros: posts the ante 250
bearsfan775: posts the ante 250
choritzo: posts the ante 250
samj19: posts the ante 250
Viking8844: posts the ante 250
berdsovg: posts the ante 250
Skurk999: posts small blind 1000
timoros: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to timoros [Ts Th]
bearsfan775: folds
choritzo: folds
samj19: folds
Viking8844: raises 2000 to 4000
berdsovg: folds
fviana: folds
Skurk999: calls 3000
timoros: raises 7195 to 11195
choritzo is sitting out
Viking8844: calls 7195
Skurk999: calls 7195
*** FLOP *** [4h 6d 5d]
Skurk999: checks
timoros: bets 15195
Viking8844: raises 25412 to 40607 and is all-in
Skurk999: raises 43684 to 84291 and is all-in
timoros: ????

Really need some player info/table dynamics or this spot is really hard.

Skurk could easily have called here with small pairs. He would flat the original raise and then has great implieds to flat ur RR (at almost M20)

Viking is less likely to have the small pairs but could easily have something like QKdd, which is 55% verse your tens. If you are lucky he has 77-99 although 77 still has close to 40% against you.

Given all this, on a perfect day, you might see something like say
TT v 77 v A9dd which is 32% verse 24% and 44% respectively (pokerstove)

But on a typical day you will see
TT v 55 v AJdd which is 6% verse 67 % and 26%

Not looking good is it? I fold.

As played I would fold. Think I would of only called pf instead of raising since the sb came into the pot. However "if" I was going to make a 3bet pf with TT, then I would make a bigger size bet than the one you made, maybe make it 14.5K

I agree with a fold on the flop, we are being overly optimistic if we think we can find a call here.

Pre-flop though, is this a good spot to 3-bet? We have a 26bb stack opening and a big stack flatting in the sb. This means our 3-bet has to be fairly large, which means the opener is unlikely to think he can get us to fold v.often if he thinks we are squeezing and decides to 4-bet shove. So I don't think we do to well against his range for a 4-bet shove, I will hazard a guess that it's might be: 77+ AQ+ KQs against which we have about 50.4% equity.

So we are basically flipping if the opener decides to 4-bet which is fine because there's dead money in the pot, but we have the added problem of the sb. He may then decide to iso the 4-bet shove in which case we're in a sick spot.

So I guess my question is what are we trying to achieve by 3-betting here? We don't love a 4-bet by either player, although our ideal situation is if the opener shoves and the sb folds and more importantly do we really wanna play an inflated pot post flop with TT against either one or two flatters as in this case?

altho flatting pre is my standard line in similar spots, i def want to get it in pre with the 26bb guy and dont want the other guy in the sb to call and play 3way with TT without having position on the big stack. as played, easy fold.

oh, and if the opener shoves we have a lil problem, since the bb def could flat there with AA. im pretty sure that's what he had there. i at least would think that's a good spot to flat instead of 4betting since it could be that the opener could shove and since it's utg vs sb 3bet the sb easily could reshove and i have a 3way all in with AA.

Agree with almost all but i think i am not so good to fold there.Till then the player in the sb had flatted 2-3 3bets preflop oop with medium connectors and couldn't find a fold in three streets of bets with second pair in wet boards.no info for the initial though.Thank you all for your answers


pokerstars Game #71890780083: Tournament #550010445, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (1000/2000) - 2011/12/09 17:14:38 ET
Table '550010445 29' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: fviana (27074 in chips)
Seat 2: Skurk999 (95736 in chips)
Seat 3: timoros (281077 in chips)
Seat 4: bearsfan775 (31498 in chips)
Seat 5: choritzo (29306 in chips)
Seat 6: samj19 (130300 in chips)
Seat 8: Viking8844 (52052 in chips)
Seat 9: berdsovg (55436 in chips)
fviana: posts the ante 250
Skurk999: posts the ante 250
timoros: posts the ante 250
bearsfan775: posts the ante 250
choritzo: posts the ante 250
samj19: posts the ante 250
Viking8844: posts the ante 250
berdsovg: posts the ante 250
Skurk999: posts small blind 1000
timoros: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to timoros [Ts Th]
bearsfan775: folds
choritzo: folds
samj19: folds
Viking8844: raises 2000 to 4000
berdsovg: folds
fviana: folds
Skurk999: calls 3000
timoros: raises 7195 to 11195
choritzo is sitting out
Viking8844: calls 7195
Skurk999: calls 7195
*** FLOP *** [4h 6d 5d]
Skurk999: checks
timoros: bets 15195
Viking8844: raises 25412 to 40607 and is all-in
Skurk999: raises 43684 to 84291 and is all-in
timoros: calls 69096
*** TURN *** [4h 6d 5d] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [4h 6d 5d 6c] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Skurk999: shows [7c 8c] (a straight, Four to Eight)
timoros: shows [Ts Th] (two pair, Tens and Sixes)
Skurk999 collected 87368 from side pot
Viking8844: shows [As 7s] (a pair of Sixes)
Skurk999 collected 157406 from main pot
Viking8844 finished the tournament in 33rd place and received $316.40.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 244774 Main pot 157406. Side pot 87368. | Rake 0
Board [4h 6d 5d 6c Jh]
Seat 1: fviana (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Skurk999 (small blind) showed [7c 8c] and won (244774) with a straight, Four to Eight
Seat 3: timoros (big blind) showed [Ts Th] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sixes
Seat 4: bearsfan775 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: choritzo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: samj19 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Viking8844 showed [As 7s] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 9: berdsovg folded before Flop (didn't bet)