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  1. kice32 kice32 is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 3:27am)

    I can't sleep right now because of this hand.

    I have a pretty loose image at the table. I don't know much about any player as they are coming in and out. KingDan23 seems like a real good player so far and from what I can tell from results in tourneys here, I know he is good. What do you do right now?

    FullTiltPoker Game #3407054462: Table Mardi Gras (6 max) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:28:01 ET - 2007/08/30
    Seat 1: KingDan23 ($3,746.60)
    Seat 2: Pederazz ($2,050)
    Seat 3: kice32 ($9,756.25)
    Seat 4: SamH133 ($1,777)
    Seat 5: Emmoyouesee ($2,623.80)
    Seat 6: MartyHere ($464)
    Emmoyouesee posts the small blind of $10
    MartyHere posts the big blind of $20
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to kice32 [Ah Kh]
    KingDan23 has 15 seconds left to act
    KingDan23 raises to $70
    Pederazz folds
    kice32 calls $70
    SamH133 calls $70
    Emmoyouesee folds
    MartyHere folds
    *** FLOP *** [2h Ac 7h]
    KingDan23 bets $240
    kice32 has 15 seconds left to act
    kice32 raises to $720
    SamH133 folds
    KingDan23 has 15 seconds left to act
    KingDan23 has requested TIME
    KingDan23 raises to $1,850

    I'll post the rest of it once I get some responses.
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  2. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 3:31am) in reply to kice32

    shove live with result obv
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  3. BigBadDevil BigBadDevil is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 3:34am) in reply to kice32

    lol at you playing 10/20 and posting this. lolzzzzzzzzzzzz
  4. SQQTED SQQTED is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 3:39am) in reply to kice32

    This is why cash can be harder than tournaments. You have no read on the guy so your decision is very difficult. Making the right read is crucial. Possible Scenarios:

    - A set of 7s or 2s
    - he is aggressively betting his flush draw, and may also be paired
    - two pair
    - he also has the A with a lower kicker
    - a total bluff

    There is a reason your getting reraised. If you can not figure it out you have to fold (remember small pots with only one pair).

    Even if you are ahead he is going to suck out, since all the money will be in the pot, which is my experience at FTP

    Here is my guess: AK vs AQ... Q on river
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 3:41am) in reply to SQQTED

    you do know your the fish @ this table, right?

    edit: LOL @ guessing if someone is good @ 10/20 based on donkament results
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 3:43am) in reply to kice32

    shoveshoveshoveshove
  7. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 3:43am) in reply to AceRunner

    id never ever fold...guess im bad
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  8. Zota15 Zota15 is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 3:51am) in reply to kice32

    If im am raising this flop here, i sure as hell aint folding when he reraises. If you are not confident in the hand just smooth call his flop bet; perfect time to slowplay, as he probably only has 1 or 2 outs assuming you are ahead.
  9. kice32 kice32 is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 3:55am) in reply to SQQTED

    Possible scenarios: Let me assess further

    AA 77 22 i believe there is a 30% chance
    AK 30%
    AQ or worse 10%
    A7 or A2 30%

    now what do I do, even after assessing all of that.
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  10. BigBadDevil BigBadDevil is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 3:56am) in reply to kice32

    reasses. you have no flush draws or bluffs in that list.
  11. kice32 kice32 is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 3:57am) in reply to Zota15

    It is more my style to play like this, but I really felt like my hand was disguised pretty solidly and I might get a push back with something weaker than normal.
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  12. kice32 kice32 is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 3:58am) in reply to AceRunner

    seriously?
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  13. SQQTED SQQTED is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:01am) in reply to kice32

    If you think there is only a 10% chance your even ahead.. Easy fold
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:02am) in reply to kice32

    i am at least 80 percent of the time reraising pre i think, i see no way you can muck this as played considering the likelihood you have best hand/the draw.,, i think saying he has a set 30 percent of the tie is way overestimating that part of his range and if you do believe he is three betting you that tight then i would never raise flop. i like raising flop because like you mention your hand is so well disguised.
     
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:04am) in reply to SQQTED

    even in his list he is actually ahead of the AK 30% as villain AK can only tie but he can win.
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:12am) in reply to kice32

    1. Insta call (there's no hand ur drawing dead against, and that's assuming ur beat which u may not be)
    2. Sorry u lost the hand
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:13am) in reply to Mkind16

    lol mkind. guy still has another 1800 to take.

    pushhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:13am) in reply to kice32

    my hand vs A7 45-55
    my hand vs A2 55-45
    my hand vs set roughly 30%
    my hand vs AK 36% for me to win

    those aren't the hands I would exactly put him on.

    to me this was an instashove and even after seeing some of these percentages even more so. If he has a set oh well, I think that kind of sucks. I just want to a hear a good argument about folding. Online is tough because I feel like live I would have a better feel.
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:14am) in reply to Mkind16

    Mkind number 2------you are my hero

    number 1--it was an 1800 more decision any chance in opinion?
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:15am) in reply to kice32

    calling is the wost option. push > fold > call
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:17am) in reply to Mkind16

    He is drawing dead to AA
  22. Wretchy Wretchy is offline whatslogic

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:18am) in reply to SQQTED

    show hand
     
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:19am) in reply to SQQTED

    He has a nut flush draw SQ

    learn to read ftw
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:21am) in reply to kice32

    FullTiltPoker Game #3407054462: Table Mardi Gras (6 max) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:28:01 ET - 2007/08/30
    Seat 1: KingDan23 ($3,746.60)
    Seat 2: Pederazz ($2,050)
    Seat 3: kice32 ($9,756.25)
    Seat 4: SamH133 ($1,777)
    Seat 5: Emmoyouesee ($2,623.80)
    Seat 6: MartyHere ($464)
    Emmoyouesee posts the small blind of $10
    MartyHere posts the big blind of $20
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to kice32 [Ah Kh]
    KingDan23 has 15 seconds left to act
    KingDan23 raises to $70
    Pederazz folds
    kice32 calls $70
    SamH133 calls $70
    Emmoyouesee folds
    MartyHere folds
    *** FLOP *** [2h Ac 7h]
    KingDan23 bets $240
    kice32 has 15 seconds left to act
    kice32 raises to $720
    SamH133 folds
    KingDan23 has 15 seconds left to act
    KingDan23 has requested TIME
    KingDan23 raises to $1,850
    kice32 raises to $9,686.25, and is all in
    KingDan23 calls $1,826.60, and is all in
    kice32 shows [Ah Kh]
    KingDan23 shows [7s 7d]
    Uncalled bet of $6,009.65 returned to kice32
    *** TURN *** [2h Ac 7h] [2s]
    *** RIVER *** [2h Ac 7h 2s] [Ks]
    kice32 shows two pair, Aces and Kings
    KingDan23 shows a full house, Sevens full of Twos
    KingDan23 wins the pot ($7,590.20) with a full house, Sevens full of Twos
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $7,593.20 | Rake $3
    Board: [2h Ac 7h 2s Ks]
    Seat 1: KingDan23 showed [7s 7d] and won ($7,590.20) with a full house, Sevens full of Twos
    Seat 2: Pederazz didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: kice32 showed [Ah Kh] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
    Seat 4: SamH133 (button) folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: Emmoyouesee (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: MartyHere (big blind) folded before the Flop

    I didn't even get a chance to cheer for a good river card, except an A one time dealer.................
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  25. Claw1980 Claw1980 is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:22am) in reply to BigBadDevil

    depends on Dan's shutdown frequency. If Dan is always plowing turn (considering how smart of player he is in tourneys i doubt he is) then obviously flatting is better then shoving.
     
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:25am) in reply to kice32

    Whoa nm didn't read the stacks. I fold. You're freerolling for 36% at best.
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 4:38am) in reply to kice32

    :(
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  28. SQQTED SQQTED is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 5:38am) in reply to doomed222

    LOL, I just woke up!
  29. SQQTED SQQTED is offline

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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 6:26am) in reply to kice32

    This scenario comes up alot, unfortunately either way I lose. Both players are not going anywhere.
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    Aug 30th, 2007 (8/30/2007 6:32am) in reply to SQQTED

    My god reraise pre one time
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