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Big flip deep in tourney, worth it?

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  1. Grlnder Grlnder is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2010 (9/18/2010 6:53am)

    There are 60 left from roughly 1600 ppl. Im like 14th in chips. I've been opening frequently, hence why I called here w / AJ. My question is, at this point in the tournament, should I fold here and continue to accumulate chips with minimal risk, or go for the kill by calling and potentially winning this pot? Had I won this flip, I would have been top 5 stack with like 50 ppl left. The hand crippled me and now I'm wondering if it was the correct play. What is the best play here? Thanks everyone who responds.

    $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (1250/2500) - 2010/09/18 1:28:07 ET
    Table '331011055 102' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: elifasco (41948 in chips)
    Seat 2: zhicong (47188 in chips)
    Seat 3: BunkerSystem (88467 in chips)
    Seat 4: PCJimmmy (82890 in chips)
    Seat 5: AlwaZTilting (41750 in chips)
    Seat 6: floparific (91317 in chips)
    Seat 7: TrueGrlnder (96549 in chips)
    Seat 9: Coca_Cola275 (75768 in chips)
    elifasco: posts the ante 310
    zhicong: posts the ante 310
    BunkerSystem: posts the ante 310
    PCJimmmy: posts the ante 310
    AlwaZTilting: posts the ante 310
    floparific: posts the ante 310
    TrueGrlnder: posts the ante 310
    Coca_Cola275: posts the ante 310
    elifasco: posts small blind 1250
    zhicong: posts big blind 2500
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to TrueGrlnder [Js As]
    BunkerSystem: folds
    PCJimmmy: folds
    AlwaZTilting: folds
    floparific: folds
    TrueGrlnder: raises 3150 to 5650
    Coca_Cola275: folds
    elifasco: folds
    zhicong: raises 41228 to 46878 and is all-in
    TrueGrlnder: calls 41228
    *** FLOP *** [5h Qc 2d]
    *** TURN *** [5h Qc 2d] [6h]
    *** RIVER *** [5h Qc 2d 6h] [7h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    zhicong: shows [9d 9h] (a pair of Nines)
    TrueGrlnder: shows [Js As] (high card Ace)
    zhicong collected 97486 from pot
  2. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2010 (9/18/2010 8:48am) in reply to Grlnder

    While you've opened a lot of pots, has anyone played back at you?

    Whether I call here is going to depend on my opponent and what my image is on this table; if I've been running over the table, it's fair to assume that some time along, even the most passive player will take a stand, so I'm always aware of my raising frequency.

    If the three-bettor is nitty (99+/AQ+), this isn't a great call, but not many people are that tight. OTOH, it does wonders for the image of any aggressive player to be able to show himself capable of laying down a hand now and again.

    After all this blather, I'd likely have folded here, as I think it's better not to risk 45% of my stack on AJ. With AQ+, I'm calling.
  3. Spissos Spissos is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2010 (9/18/2010 11:25am) in reply to hushpuckena

    i'd call, about cEV you need 41% here and agasint a 18x shove if you are active and you open from CO you have it.
    i think a tight shoving range should be like: 66+,AJs+,KQs,AJo+,KQo

    In a 11$ they doesn't reshove light so i may fold this if you have a tight image but i call with your image (88+/AJs are fine)
  4. luckierno7 luckierno7 is offline

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    Sep 21st, 2010 (9/21/2010 12:15am) in reply to Spissos

    i never call here i think it s bad and u ll lose money with this call in the long run; half of your stack for AJ -it s not worth it; your also 14 th in chips.. aj also pretty weak hand; i think u should have easily folded; so what if u ve been active; at the lower stakes people seldom reship light; also he wasnt desperate
    Edited By: luckierno7 Sep 21st, 2010 at 12:18 AM
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  5. Grlnder Grlnder is offline

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    Sep 21st, 2010 (9/21/2010 4:56am) in reply to luckierno7

    thanks all, ----def agree with luckierno's thoughts...as I was leading toward the same conclusion. More importantly than just the details of this hand, I was wondering about big coin flip pots in the late stages of a tournament. I feel as though I could have continued to work my way up instead of risking that much on a call where I couldn't be sure I was ahead. good stuff guys , appreciate it
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  6. uga7211 uga7211 is offline

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    Sep 21st, 2010 (9/21/2010 7:16am) in reply to Grlnder

    lol.. snap call. std.. gotta race to win.. you dont wanna blind out and pull a helmuth do you? ez decision.. im not open folding to that shoving stack
     
  7. luckierno7 luckierno7 is offline

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    Sep 21st, 2010 (9/21/2010 11:53am) in reply to uga7211

    well i m glaD my post didnt upset u ;didnt wanna sound that aggressive; i posted a coinflip of mine also late in a tourney check it out please
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  8. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Sep 22nd, 2010 (9/22/2010 4:37am) in reply to uga7211

     
    Originally Posted by uga7211 View Post

    lol.. snap call. std.. gotta race to win.. you dont wanna blind out and pull a helmuth do you? ez decision.. im not open folding to that shoving stack

    After thinking this over, I've come round to the idea of calling being correct-it's not often you'll be faced with the bigger aces or pps, unless your opponent is Mr
    Supernit. If he is, I fold this, then run him over without mercy for the doo-ray-shun.
  9. flipbsj flipbsj is offline

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    Sep 24th, 2010 (9/24/2010 6:33pm) in reply to hushpuckena

    get deep in another tourny just like this..flip and win next time.. EZ game.
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