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Blind vs blind shove 100r what do u think??

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  1. blizair blizair is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 1:39am)

    pokerstars Game #38793210995: Tournament #281110942, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (4000/8000) - 2010/01/27 2:11:48 ET
    Table '281110942 28' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: xxjondxx (403388 in chips)
    Seat 3: Ericb09 (121704 in chips)
    Seat 4: Wretchy (187415 in chips)
    Seat 5: Princesa (204692 in chips)
    Seat 6: sindy2 (147546 in chips)
    Seat 7: kleppis (497940 in chips)
    Seat 8: BadcardsAA (646013 in chips)
    Seat 9: PearlJammer (76802 in chips)
    xxjondxx: posts the ante 800
    Ericb09: posts the ante 800
    Wretchy: posts the ante 800
    Princesa: posts the ante 800
    sindy2: posts the ante 800
    kleppis: posts the ante 800
    BadcardsAA: posts the ante 800
    PearlJammer: posts the ante 800
    Ericb09: posts small blind 4000
    Wretchy: posts big blind 8000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Ericb09 [6h Ks]
    Princesa: folds
    sindy2: folds
    kleppis: folds
    BadcardsAA: folds
    PearlJammer: folds
    xxjondxx: folds
    Ericb09?

    thoughts on this hand. 8 left in 100r stars?
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  2. mhoddi mhoddi is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 1:45am) in reply to blizair

    I push
     
  3. eman2188 eman2188 is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 1:52am) in reply to mhoddi

    in there like swimwear
     
  4. jcpeace jcpeace is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 2:02am) in reply to blizair

    oh yeah, you are way ahead of his calling range lol
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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 2:03am) in reply to blizair

    wwdjkd
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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 2:03am) in reply to eman2188

    Seems like an easy fold although keep in mind im no 100$rebuyer but I believe you have too many chips to jam this here I think u can find a better spot
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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 2:04am) in reply to blizair

    depends how im feeling, 50/50 shove/fold
     
  8. eman2188 eman2188 is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 2:04am) in reply to jcpeace

     
    Originally Posted by jcpeace View Post

    oh yeah, you are way ahead of his calling range lol

    not sure whats goin on with this comment
     
  9. phyzer23 phyzer23 is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 2:12am) in reply to eman2188

    do it
     
  10. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 2:32am) in reply to blizair

    seems like with stacks and how he prol percieves u, he prol lets u get away wth limping alot. your winning same amt almost just as often as when u shove i think and ur risking like 1/7 as much as a shove, that being said shove>fold
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  11. blizair blizair is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 2:35am) in reply to Gettin Daize

    u think raise fold is an option daize? or u think limp is better?
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  12. darkhawk-200 darkhawk-200 is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 2:37am) in reply to blizair

    always shove here, wth, limp? raise/fold? are you playing the 10freezeouts?
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  13. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 2:43am) in reply to blizair

    i like limping better, r/f doesnt seem like it would be terrible i think most opens u make with that stack will get you more folds than a shove will at that table any way.
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  14. nezbit nezbit is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 2:44am) in reply to darkhawk-200

    no worse hand is calling you...

    i guess think of chance of winning blinds/antes vs getting called and losing

    think u had 15 bbs you shove to win about 2 bbs

    15 to 17 bbs at 80% uncontested
    15 to 32 bbs at 20% when he calls and you win
    15 to 0 bbs at 20% when he calls and wins
    not sure bro do the math too late for me. but probably good
  15. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 2:49am) in reply to darkhawk-200

     
    Originally Posted by darkhawk-200 View Post

    always shove here, wth, limp? raise/fold? are you playing the 10freezeouts?

    well if it was a 10 freezeout ud be right and would always be a shove here, are you playing the 10 freezeouts?
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  16. The Spewtard The Spewtard is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 4:12am) in reply to Gettin Daize

    Shove
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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 4:24am) in reply to The Spewtard

    plz shove
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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 4:27am) in reply to jet5087

    shove and id like wretchy's thoughts here also
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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 4:31am) in reply to JasonBDizzle

    i dont play these 100r but for me its a shove all day long with K high and 15bb.

    i never would r/f here and may fold if i knew he might call me very light..but i shove
     
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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 4:49am) in reply to matze_widi

    Shove and its not even close, as for wretchy letting you get away with limping.... doubt it
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  21. mementmori mementmori is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 5:05am) in reply to badpab2

    cramville all day
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  22. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 5:14am) in reply to blizair

    Shove. It's +EV. Beyond that, Wretchy's stack is perfect for this play because he probably is interested in keeping his fold equity and might fold a close one because this spot might cripple him. I'm shoving even wider than this in your shoes.
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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 9:06am) in reply to Jennifear

     
    Originally Posted by Jennifear View Post

    I'm shoving even wider than this in your shoes.

    I was going to say that, but I'm exactly qualified and I obv don't play the 109R unless it's a misclick.
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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 9:19am) in reply to blizair

    Kx 15 bbs is a jam imo. I'll tighten up the range if a reg is in the bb that's gonna call me very light. And also it's a good spot to jam because of Wretchy's stacksize
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  25. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 1:17pm) in reply to badpab2

     
    Originally Posted by badpab2 View Post

    Shove and its not even close, as for wretchy letting you get away with limping.... doubt it

    why? someone as good as blizair limps with 15 blinds wretchys not gonna ship 95s or something even like a4 kt. i doubt they have much history bvb with 15 bbs at least history that either of them would recall, in wretchys mind someone that plays tourneys everyday and wins just open limped with 15 blinds i doubt hes crazy about shipping in a bunch of hands... shove is def + ev but why let him play perfect?
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  26. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 1:19pm) in reply to The Lab Rat

     
    Originally Posted by The Lab Rat View Post

    Kx 15 bbs is a jam imo. I'll tighten up the range if a reg is in the bb that's gonna call me very light. And also it's a good spot to jam because of Wretchy's stacksize

    his stack is good to shove on, that doesnt mean hes not snapping with A3 or KJ
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  27. mementmori mementmori is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 1:32pm) in reply to Gettin Daize

    him calling with those hands dosen't mean that it isnt massively cev+ though
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  28. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 1:46pm) in reply to mementmori

    i never said it wasnt
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  29. mementmori mementmori is offline

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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 1:50pm) in reply to Gettin Daize

    My bad, read is as your counterargument to shoving
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    Jan 27th, 2010 (1/27/2010 1:57pm) in reply to Gettin Daize

     
    Originally Posted by Gettin Daize View Post


    why? someone as good as blizair limps with 15 blinds wretchys not gonna ship 95s or something even like a4 kt. i doubt they have much history bvb with 15 bbs at least history that either of them would recall, in wretchys mind someone that plays tourneys everyday and wins just open limped with 15 blinds i doubt hes crazy about shipping in a bunch of hands... shove is def + ev but why let him play perfect?

    Someone as good as blizair???? I dont even think he is good, dont see why that relates to the hand, if you look at stack sizes its an auto shove with ATC so the fact you have K hi is a bonus imo
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