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  1. granny1943 granny1943 is offline

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    Dec 9th, 2008 (12/9/2008 9:18pm)

    So the other day I realized that all 8 of the other players at my table were bots. I started experimenting with different strategies and found a few that worked pretty well. I am interested in doing some research on exactly what the best strategy is for a table like this. (They aren't hard to find, look for a plr/flop percent that is ridiculously low.) I start Statistics grad school next year, so I have a strong quantitative background and am familiar with research procedures. I've been playing poker live for about 7 years, but not so much online. Also, finals end this week, so from the beginning of next week until the new year, I have nothing but free time to play poker and research this. I think this could provide an opportunity to make a lot of money for relatively little risk. It'd be nice to have someone to bounce ideas off of, preferably someone with at least some research background or a lot of online experience. If anyone's interested, send me a message.
  2. Nate Avenson Nate Avenson is offline

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    Dec 9th, 2008 (12/9/2008 11:56pm) in reply to granny1943

    So, you found a table where you were the only human player, but rather than report the bots, you decide to devise a plan to exploit them?

    You experimented with different strategies and found a few that worked pretty well. How big was the sample size on each experiment? Your a stats student, right?

    You might want to consider learning to write in paragraph form before entering grad school. I'm not sure where you will be attending, but paragraphs seem to be universally accepted.
     
  3. kingp1n kingp1n is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 5:07am) in reply to Nate Avenson

    wat
     
  4. GreesonEV GreesonEV is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 5:15am) in reply to granny1943

    Send your weed to me immed...I need it for questioning.
     
  5. scaryharry45 scaryharry45 is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 9:23am) in reply to granny1943

    LOLOLOLOLOL
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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 9:26am) in reply to granny1943

    So, were you playing live or online when this happened?

     
    Originally Posted by granny1943 View Post

    So the other day I realized that all 8 of the other players at my table were bots.

    ....

    I've been playing poker live for about 7 years, but not so much online.

  7. dropkickthesun dropkickthesun is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 9:42am) in reply to granny1943

    lmao -- this guy's gooood!

    jesus christ, this is fuckin' nuts dude

    lay off whatever you're on. seriously.
  8. kidrok10101 kidrok10101 is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 9:50am) in reply to Nate Avenson

     
    Originally Posted by Nate Avenson View Post


    So, you found a table where you were the only human player, but rather than report the bots, you decide to devise a plan to exploit them?

    You experimented with different strategies and found a few that worked pretty well. How big was the sample size on each experiment? Your a stats student, right?

    You might want to consider learning to write in paragraph form before entering grad school. I'm not sure where you will be attending, but paragraphs seem to be universally accepted.

    Is that how you were taught to write paragraphs? No indent...double space. lol
    It's poker discussion...not creative writing
  9. Phi Phi is offline aka tennisee

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 9:52am) in reply to granny1943

    PAGING ODWEYER PAGING ODWEYER
  10. StoneColdNz StoneColdNz is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 10:00am) in reply to Phi

    I SEE STUPID PEOPLE...THEY'RE EVERYWHERE THEY WALK AROUND LIKE EVERONE ELSE... THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY'RE DUMB.

    SO I'M GOING TO TURN MY CHAT OFF SO I CAN'T HEAR THEM!!!!

    OH ~ I BET THEY THINK I'M A BOT
  11. Denty Denty is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 10:02am) in reply to kidrok10101

     
    Originally Posted by kidrok10101 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Nate Avenson View Post


    So, you found a table where you were the only human player, but rather than report the bots, you decide to devise a plan to exploit them?

    You experimented with different strategies and found a few that worked pretty well. How big was the sample size on each experiment? Your a stats student, right?

    You might want to consider learning to write in paragraph form before entering grad school. I'm not sure where you will be attending, but paragraphs seem to be universally accepted.

    Is that how you were taught to write paragraphs? No indent...double space. lol
    It's poker discussion...not creative writing

    hahah owned. you turned 5 sentences into 3 paragraphs, i dont even think you get credit for that in 4th grade
     
  12. PocketRuners PocketRuners is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 10:39am) in reply to Denty

     
    Originally Posted by Denty View Post

     
    Originally Posted by kidrok10101 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Nate Avenson View Post


    So, you found a table where you were the only human player, but rather than report the bots, you decide to devise a plan to exploit them?

    You experimented with different strategies and found a few that worked pretty well. How big was the sample size on each experiment? Your a stats student, right?

    You might want to consider learning to write in paragraph form before entering grad school. I'm not sure where you will be attending, but paragraphs seem to be universally accepted.

    Is that how you were taught to write paragraphs? No indent...double space. lol
    It's poker discussion...not creative writing

    hahah owned. you turned 5 sentences into 3 paragraphs, i dont even think you get credit for that in 4th grade

    It's funny when the grammar police do not even know the you're/your difference. Double owned
  13. granny1943 granny1943 is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 11:46am) in reply to Nate Avenson

    I didn't say it was a well performed experiment, but when there is a computer playing cards, certain patterns emerge. Min raising 8 hands in a row and winning the pot preflop all 8 times just doesn't happen in a legit game, especially at the micro stakes I play, where everyone has to see a flop. The reason I posted this was to more formally investigate it. As for paragraph form, I was writing a quick note to see if anyone else wanted to look into this, not a senior thesis or a letter to the prime minister of Zimbabwe, but thanks for the advice tool.
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  14. Rev.K Rev.K is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 11:51am) in reply to granny1943

    What site?

    What stakes?

    How exactly did you determine they were bots?

    EDIT: You've been playing poker live for 7 years and you're 22 years old?
  15. granny1943 granny1943 is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 12:03pm) in reply to Rev.K

    pokerstars, .25 .50, there was a pattern to their play. Anytime they raised pf, they followed with a potsized flop bet. If I called, they check the turn, when I bet the min on the turn they call. When I bet the min on the river they fold. This happened 13 times over the hour and a half I first noticed it.
    I obviously haven't been playing in a casino that long, but I started playing a 50 max cash game twice a week before the whole 'Moneymaker effect' and yes, I had to ride my bicycle there.
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  16. PocketRuners PocketRuners is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 12:06pm) in reply to granny1943

    Did they all have names like skjds and show location in China? The thread the other day about those players abusing bonus with what were probably bots comes to mind. Don't know how you'd get into the table though, unless they thought they could just keep busting the 9th player with their 8 bots...
  17. granny1943 granny1943 is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 12:14pm) in reply to PocketRuners

    Honestly, I didn't pay much attention to the locations. I looked into what it took to get a bot, and the first one that showed up on google advertised that it would take care of getting bonuses for a player, so I'm sure that's what a lot of people use them for, but with the ease of getting one, I dunno that they would have to be from China. Also, the bot site bragged about features that made it difficult for the poker rooms to detect their use and that they would take aggressive steps in the future to ensure this as the poker sites made a more serious attempt to ban them.
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  18. The_Enigma The_Enigma is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 1:19pm) in reply to granny1943

    Great level...

    Pareto principle here, the 80-20 rule, lets say only 20% of the internet were bots, would it not be a better use of your time to understand how to beat the 80% who are not...hmmmmm. And what happens when you get into a 3-way pot with both a bot and a human...its a doozy!
  19. slapshot slapshot is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 1:21pm) in reply to The_Enigma

    Are you sure you're not confusing "bot" with "donk?"
  20. d1am0ndc d1am0ndc is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 1:29pm) in reply to slapshot

     
    Originally Posted by slapshot View Post


    Are you sure you're not confusing "bot" with "donk?"

    LOL
  21. kidrok10101 kidrok10101 is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 1:32pm) in reply to granny1943

    What if we're the robots and they're the humans???

    That should keep the potheads busy for a while
  22. muzzleflash muzzleflash is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 2:27pm) in reply to granny1943

    I would come up with a basic formula that took in to account "Starting Hand Range" (The top ten hands) VS how often you should be delt these.. Then check the hand histories and see if the Numbers are close...for the Players in question.. The larger the sample size the Better...
  23. muzzleflash muzzleflash is offline

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    Dec 10th, 2008 (12/10/2008 2:41pm) in reply to muzzleflash

    top ten hands...

    1326 distinct possible combinations of two hole cards from a standard 52-card

    (128/1326)*100=9.653%

    There are 169 nonequivalent starting hands in hold 'em

    (10/169)*100=5.917%

    maybe been a while since I graduated
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