I believe Stu Ungar was the greatest no-limit player to date. He won 3 main events and won 10 out of the 30 major events he played. His comeback in '97 after a decade of dismay was very impressive. Doyle has the title of "best player ever" and it is well deserved. What do you all think?

Really good points. I would like to research when they played eachother in the past.

http://www.pokerpages.com/articles/p...tu-ungar01.htm

An opinion from a man who knew them both: http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...=13390&m_id=68

i hope for your sake that you were not trying to spell known, when you used the word none.

this is taken from a phil helmuth hand of the week : -

<BLOCKQUOTE>Mansour Quits Playing Against Stuey Forever!
by Phil Helmuth

Back in 1992 at the World Series of Poker (WSOP), world champions Mansour
Matloubi and Stuey Ungar faced off in a series of $50,000 buy-in heads-up
freezeouts. Mansour tells me he was at the top of his game at that point
in his poker career, having won the WSOP in 1990.

The game they were playing was no-limit hold’em, and the blinds were
$200-$400 when the following hand came up. Stuey opened for $1,600 from
the small blind, and Mansour called with 5-4 offsuit. After a flop of
7-3-3 rainbow, Stuey bet $6,000 — he started the hand with $60,000 to
Mansour’s $40,000 — and Mansour called. On fourth street, a king came off
and both players checked. On the river, a queen came off to make a board
of 7-3-3-K-Q, and Mansour, sensing weakness in Stuey, bet his last $32,000
or so. Stuey looked “right through” Mansour, and within 10 seconds he
said, “You have 5-4 or 6-5; I’m gonna call you with this.” Stuey then
flipped up 10-9, and called the $32,000 bet with a mere 10 high. Wow, what
an unbelievable call! Stuey couldn’t even beat a jack-high bluff with his
hand, never mind any pair. In fact, Stuey could beat only 5-4, 6-4 or 6-5
in this scenario.

Give Mansour some credit, as he did read Stuey right and made a great
bluff. But Stuey deserves even more credit! He not only read Mansour
correctly, he then made an amazing call. After Stuey called, Mansour
looked up at the ceiling, thinking, “I feel crushed; it’s almost like a
bulldozer just ran over me. I still love Stuey, but what the heck is going
on?!” Mansour told me, “When a guy makes a call like that against you, you
just give up. It’s like he’s taken all the wind out of your sails. I
decided that I couldn’t play him any more heads-up no-limit hold’em, at
least on that day, if not forever.” Indeed, it proved to be the last hand
that Mansour ever played heads up with Stuey.

On another day at that WSOP in 1992, Stuey was playing in a fivehanded
$600-$1,200 game with Mansour on table 59, while Bobby Baldwin and Chip
Reese were playing gin on table 60. All of a sudden, Chip turned to Stuey
at the other table and asked, “How did you like the way I played that
hand?” Stuey, who was in the middle of a hand, said, “I would have knocked
four draws ago with five (points).” Chip said, “Thanks,” and rolled his
eyes. Of course, Chip knew that Stuey was right, because Stuey was
considered all but unbeatable in gin. In fact, he was so good at gin that
he couldn’t get a game with anyone anywhere for many years. But Chip
didn’t roll his eyes because Stuey was right; he rolled them because he
couldn’t believe that Stuey was watching his every move while
simultaneously playing high-stakes poker!

In the 1980s, Stuey was considered the best in the world at gin (in fact,
he was the best for two decades), the best no-limit hold’em player ever
(by then he had won two world championships, with one more to come), and
one of the best backgammon players in the world. To be at the top in any
one of those games is quite a feat, but to be at or near the top in all
three at once was truly unbelievable.

There are many other great stories about Stu Ungar and his amazing
abilities. Soon there will be a book coming out about him, as well as a
movie. I’m looking forward to both.</BLOCKQUOTE>

Check the name.Hands down best ever!

I thought High Roller was a B-. Could have used way more scenes with Stuey playing no-limit. The only really good card scene was when he played gin against Mr. Myagi. In fact, I believe the only no-limit scene was at the end when he won the 97 WSOP. Norm Dalla is coming out with a biography of Ungar soon.

Quite simply, Stu was probably the best tournament player. But comparing the two in poker you need to go beyond tournaments. This is where Doyle proves his greatness, as he has performed well in tournaments and cash games. Someone else mentioned this, Stuey only had 1 gear at the poker table, while this is great in a tournament format, it does not perform great at cash games. When you consider everything, Doyle is a much better all around player. Course if you ask any of the big players, almost all say Chip Reese is the best, but hey since he hardly plays tournaments he must suck by most poker amateur stardards.

Well CU, I feel that they are both great. How could you say who is better unless one of them consistantely beats the other? Now, for who is better, CUlater vs. mpattiwop the answer is clear. I consistantely beat you, therefore, mpattiwop is better than CUlater.

you mean tournaments have far greater income potential..