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Bubblish spot in the 3r

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  1. dullshot dullshot is offline

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    Feb 13th, 2011 (2/13/2011 8:04am)

    I've been fairly aggressive against the two stacks to my left but nothing too drastic. What do you think is optimal in this spot?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #28154609619: $10,500 Guarantee (Rebuy) (218633082), Table 125 - 10000/20000 Ante 2500 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:51:19 PT - 2011/02/12 [02:51:19 ET - 2011/02/13]
    Seat 1: Pay4MyTuition (324,534)
    Seat 3: LetsFly2 (516,298)
    Seat 4: feebatron (1,415,719)
    Seat 6: Darkness405 (427,334)
    Seat 7: dullshot (363,763)
    Seat 8: mws4money (355,500)
    Pay4MyTuition antes 2,500
    LetsFly2 antes 2,500
    feebatron antes 2,500
    Darkness405 antes 2,500
    dullshot antes 2,500
    mws4money antes 2,500
    mws4money posts the small blind of 10,000
    Pay4MyTuition posts the big blind of 20,000
    The button is in seat #7
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to dullshot [Ks 7s]
    LetsFly2 folds
    feebatron folds
    Darkness405 folds
    dullshot
     
  2. random.chu random.chu is offline The People's Troll

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    Feb 13th, 2011 (2/13/2011 8:21am) in reply to dullshot

    wager all of your chips
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  3. dullshot dullshot is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 8:51am) in reply to random.chu

    Any other opinions? I talked this over with another player and he said it wasn't much of a spot. He said K7s is a little light with this stack size. Although K7s is near the bottom of my shoving range, I still think its a shove.
     
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  4. grandmamoneybags grandmamoneybags is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 9:30am) in reply to dullshot

    kinda lite to me w/ the stacks. fold pre imo.
  5. rynjacobs rynjacobs is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 12:30pm) in reply to grandmamoneybags

    only 4 people behind him though and its a turbo. People are only going to come back at him at this top of their range usually at this point. raise to 50k not bad to take blinds down pre. If you are called you have a decent hand, can cbet small, and shut down if called or raised. Fold not bad either though too (which is on the safer side) but push is the last thing i would do.
    Edited By: rynjacobs Feb 14th, 2011 at 12:32 PM
  6. Lenail Lenail is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 12:44pm) in reply to rynjacobs

    If I recall well, there is pretty much the same spot in a sub pxf tourney that DoubleDave commented and the sub was in the same spot twice, BU K7 15-20BB. The math have to be done for this case to be sure but if they are fairly tight, raise folding is the best option IMO.
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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 9:43pm) in reply to Lenail

    r/f this stack seems pretty awful. The only two options I considered were push or fold.
     
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  8. grandmamoneybags grandmamoneybags is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 10:25pm) in reply to rynjacobs

     
    Originally Posted by rynjacobs View Post

    only 4 people behind him though and its a turbo. People are only going to come back at him at this top of their range usually at this point. raise to 50k not bad to take blinds down pre. If you are called you have a decent hand, can cbet small, and shut down if called or raised. Fold not bad either though too (which is on the safer side) but push is the last thing i would do.

    no offense but not the soundest advice imo. your options are prety much ship/fold here. Although as Lenail said if you have numbers to back it up that they are nitty and aren't 3b lite then a r/f isn't that bad i guess. I've turned into quite the nit box lately and as I said before I just let it go.

    oh and it's not a turbo fwiw play this tournament everyday....
    Edited By: grandmamoneybags Feb 14th, 2011 at 10:26 PM
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 6:55am) in reply to grandmamoneybags

    I know you may disagree with me, but i have to tell you that raise fold (if you want to play this hand) should be more optimal than just push. Pushing 18 bb is only going to get you called by better (pp and dominating hands), plus the shove itself looks weaker. How many people do you know that would shove AA, KK, QQ, AK (premiums) with 18 bb? By shoving, it looks like you want a call a lot less so people will look you up lighter as well as call with their monster, putting you in a relatively neg ev situation.
    Edited By: rynjacobs Feb 16th, 2011 at 07:00 AM
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 7:30am) in reply to rynjacobs

    raise fold is horrendous, ur on the button, shiptosails that shit
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  11. DrummerBoyAK DrummerBoyAK is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 9:12am) in reply to sirswish6

    Pretty dependent on how competent you think the two people to your left are. I'm less inclined to jam here vs a couple regs then if its just 2 standard 3r fish.
     
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 9:21am) in reply to DrummerBoyAK

    Shoveskis... Unexploitable and doubt these guys are calling you light...
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 10:27am) in reply to jsagan77

    At least i gained some insight from this as well. Didn't think the push was best with 18bb but guess I'm wrong. Sirswish is definitely someone you want to listen to.
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 10:53am) in reply to rynjacobs

    fold
  15. s1nnr s1nnr is offline will stab you

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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 1:19pm) in reply to wonderkid23

    Shove >>fold>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>raise and leave 1chip behind and fold>>>>>> standard raise fold


    At least when u leave 1 chip behind and fold you can claim misclick, and if you are raise/folding here you prob realize after doing so that you have chance to win the tourney bc you suck
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 4:16pm) in reply to s1nnr

    Shove all day. Keep the pressure on with your image. If you haven't been outta line then that gives more value to your K7s. You avoided the big stacks so yeah your gonna get called tight gg. Once you take the blinds or get called and win the race you are more likely to get called and paid off on light callings on future shoves so use this to your advantage
    Edited By: _rayden_ Feb 16th, 2011 at 04:21 PM
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